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Seems the evacuees are causing mayhem inside the Astrodome now.

Authorites are lumping all persons into undifferentiated areas of occupation, with single males and females intermixed with families.

They have torn down all the dividers seperating sleeping areas and changing areas and recreation areas.

It seems they are just picking up where they left off at the SuperDome


Stadium calls halt to taking refugees
By BILL MURPHY and LEIGH HOPPER
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

HURRICANE KATRINA
NOAA
Hurricane Katrina swirls toward the Gulf Coast.

Officials closed the Reliant Astrodome to further New Orleans evacuees late Thursday, shortly before five more busloads arrived.

Although the passengers initially were told they would have to reboard the buses and go to Huntsville, officials relented and allowed at least one busload of 67 passengers to stay. The fate of the other four buses was still being considered late Thursday.

Houston Police Sgt. Nate McDuell said the Harris County Fire Marshal's Office ordered that no more evacuees be accepted.

"We're at capacity and buses are being diverted to other cities and other shelters," McDuell said.

Tired, distraught passengers got off the buses and shouted angrily as police officers told them they could not stay.

"We've got sick people in here and this is how you treat us!" one man shouted. "Welcome to Houston! I hope a hurricane comes to Houston!"

Passengers, some carrying babies, complained that they had made the long ride in unair-conditioned buses and were exhausted. One elderly man was placed in an ambulance and taken to a triage site.

"This is just one of those things," said Red Cross spokeswoman Dana Allen. "We're doing the best we can."

The Dome was closed as its population of refugees from New Orleans swelled to 11,375, said Andrew Biar, spokesman for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. He said the decision was made "for the safety and comfort of the people who are now in the Astrodome."

Officials said chaotic conditions in New Orleans delayed transport of hurricane victims who have spent days in the Superdome there, with no electric power and few necessities.

Some of the first 2,000 evacuees who reached the Astrodome late Wednesday and early Thursday weren't from the Superdome, and county officials backtracked from their earlier announcement that only Superdome evacuees would be admitted.

Most of the new arrivals late Thursday were those who had boarded buses at or near the Superdome, said Liese Hutchinson, a spokeswoman for the Red Cross, which is handling some operations at the shelter under county supervision.

FEMA will reimburse the local expenses, officials said.

The Astrodome was not open to refugees who came to Houston before or shortly after Katrina made landfall.

Without such a policy, there would have been no space for evacuees fleeing the worsening conditions in New Orleans, said O'Brien-Molina.

Three hundred evacuees to be housed at the Dome were coming on two flights from Louisiana. Another 1,900 were to take an Amtrak train to Lafayette, La., and then board buses for Houston, said Rita Obey, spokeswoman for the county Public Health and Environmental Services Department.

But most made the whole trip in chartered and school buses. Late in the afternoon, tired, sad-looking riders filled four yellow West Baton Rouge Parish school buses that pulled up to the Dome.

Harris County Sheriff Tommy Thomas said his department was watching for a few New Orleans municipal jail inmates who may have found their way into the Superdome evacuation. They were brought to the Superdome as conditions worsened at the city jail but could not be accounted for later.

Thomas said the inmates were only minor offenders.

The relief effort at the Dome remained a work in progress.

A 100,000-square-foot medical clinic set up in the Astroarena was nearly overwhelmed on its first day.

The clinic, which is seeking more volunteer doctors and nurses, saw 400 patients by

5 p.m. Nearly 50 people were sent to emergency rooms.

Aramark, the concessionaire at Reliant Park, is feeding evacuees from buffet tables on a concourse.

But not all was calm. One man was arrested after fighting over a cot. Two others were arrested after peeping into a women's shower. Two of the four locker rooms at the Dome are for women, two for men.

State and local education officials were making plans to hold classes for evacuee children at the Dome or bus them to schools, Eckels said.

Chronicle reporters Salatheia Bryant and Anne Marie Kilday contributed to this report.

A little bit more info:

MORE INFO: Red Cross volunteer named Price Hall inside Astrodome is saying there were not enough volunteers to take care of all the refugees who came in--he is blaming it all on that. He believes there are 5-7,000 people in there and 50 buses waiting to unload.

They served hot breakfast this morning, sandwiches during the day and there is still a lot of fruit, soda and water. But there will be no more food coming until tomorow. There was no more clothing available for the men, ran out of men's clothing very early. (My own comment: The Red Cross wouldn't let anybody donate clothing, for heaven's sake! Our own people were out there handing out their own clothes on the sidewalk to them!)

There is plenty more room, but not enough volunteers, he says. Volunteers were being turned away at the gate! This is mind-boggling. Cots were set up for seniors, families, single males, single females. More cots came, but it's not enough. The partitions were torn down immediately. (Note that I'm not sure who this guy is, because he is complaining about things that his own group, the Red Cross, was in charge of!)

News anchors are asking if there is civil unrest there--Hall says no, not anywhere near that. He doesn't know anything about the death(s) reported. There is a whole medical section and there are many doctors who have been working 24/7 with the refugees. He says 50% of the people coming in had some kind of medical problem. Now, Houston Police Dept is on phone--they are diverting the buses to other shelters. (Yikes, all of our shelters are already full and crowded to capacity!) (Newspeople mentioned Huntsville, possibly.) HPD person just said that and nothing else. Back to Hall, who is saying if nothing else, he's glad they did shut it down, just because the services are already taxed to the max and no one would be comfortable beyond this point.


More to come as it is available.
 
they are getting stir crazy already?
they are gonna have some big probs later
 
MORE INFO: No more fresh towels were there, people couldn't shower. They ran out of solid food inside. (I see tons of empty cots.) The family partitions and single female/male partitions were torn down. Reportedly one death inside and one that was on a bus that arrived.

Armed man took over a bus, wont give up till they let him and his passengers into the Astrodome.

Fluid situation.

More in a second ....
 
MORE: Another reporter - situation is unraveling outside the Astrodome. Reporter says the stench of the people getting off the buses is terrible--he's not being mean, he's being compassionate about the people who have been through hell. He says there are many very small children and they have fevers and coughs; he's very worried about them.

Now the buses are being told they must go to Dallas or Huntsville, but the drivers say they can't drive that much more tonight, by law. Their stamina is gone, anyway. Reporter says one bus occupant told him the close quarters have made the people have love/hate relationships and they are fighting all the time. They have no water and are begging for bottled water. One bus rider got fed up and just walked off the bus and said he thinks he has an aunt here and he'll go find her. Ambulance just left the premises, siren blaring, no comment from reporter about it. Cameraman just showed it. The real mystery of all this is why they ever said they could take 25,000 people here for sleeping and living. The AP is reporting 11,375 are inside, but news crew says that number is suspect.

People on the rejected buses are being allowed to walk around a little now, just a few at a time. More from the reporter again ... the fire marshall is only counting the floor of the Astrodome as the capacity determination - not the seats, even though people are able to go up there and sit in them. Some of the people on the buses were in the hotel in NOLA that had been commandeered, then it flooded. They SWAM to the SuperDome. He's complaining about the MRE's they were given to eat. He says the bus trip was the most peaceful part of everything that has happened to him. (He has wife and children with him.) He says he has money, so he will find a hotel room here, but his wife needs medical attention--has glass in a cut in her foot. The guy is saying the people in the SuperDome were vicious, beating others. The Army people, he says, were "cool". The reported "brutality" in the SD was by the people themselves. Reporter asks children if they saw some bad things--one little girl, 11, says yes, mostly in the bathrooms.

A Red Cross spokesperson (official) just sent to AP a dispatch saying, "We have reached capacity for the safety and comfort" of the refugees. It also said for them to be patient and it will be made comfortable.

Now they're interviewing more fed-up people from the rejected buses, another one who is just getting off here and leaving. He is an artist and salvaged only a few of his art supplies when he lost his home. He walked through lots of water and debris to get on the bus. (He wasn't ever in the SuperDome.) All are waiting and praying.

Another reporter: at another gate - they are going to let one bus in right now! They're also letting some of the people in the Dome.

Now an HPD officer - all of the 30 buses now on the premises will now be processed quickly and allowed into the Dome.

More later ....
 
the mayor of new orleans has issued an sos and has said that the city can no longer provide for the trapped people. i am so pissed right now.
 
we really need ot have the national guard there to keep order.

why are supplies and help taking so long to get there. I hope I don't sound too US centric, but why does it seem like we (the US) and the red cross can get help out to other countires much faster than we're getting it to our own?
 
its the nature of a politician. people in power do things for other coutries, claiming hat it is for peace and goodwill, but it is only to have ace in the hole for a later trade deal.
 
its the nature of a politician. people in power do things for other coutries, claiming that it is for peace and goodwill, but it is only to have ace in the hole for a later trade deal.
 
the national guard in louisiana is mostly tasked out in iraq and other ares of the middle east. my brother just got back from iraq about 2 months ago, and has now been redeployed to new orleans. i guess bush is more cocerned about the iraqis than he is about his own.
 
bb079 said:
the national guard in louisiana is mostly tasked out in iraq and other ares of the middle east. my brother just got back from iraq about 2 months ago, and has now been redeployed to new orleans. i guess bush is more cocerned about the iraqis than he is about his own.


40,000 are being mobilized from Ft. Bragg right now. It was announced today on TV.
 
FEMA doesn't seem ot be doing a good job.

Why is Bush asking ex presidents to raise money, why not divert money from the war (ie not send any more troops) toward Louisiana and not spend any more money on expanding the war until we take care of our own at home? I didn't say abandon the soldiers that are already there, obviously they need to be taken care of, given proper supplies, etc... but do you guys think it's just to spend a penny outside of that when it is so desperately needed here?
 
that is great, but why was this not done four days ago. the governments inability to react in an expediant manner is inexcusable. the president seemed to be at lose for words when asked some questions. imagine that.
 
SoreArms said:
FEMA doesn't seem ot be doing a good job.

Why is Bush asking ex presidents to raise money,


They were very successful in raising money for the tsunami vicitms.
 
bb079 said:
the national guard in louisiana is mostly tasked out in iraq and other ares of the middle east. my brother just got back from iraq about 2 months ago, and has now been redeployed to new orleans. i guess bush is more cocerned about the iraqis than he is about his own.

Stop trying to politicize this tragedy. There is no room for it from the right or left. Frankly, it disgusts me. This area is a logistical nightmare.
 
sure could use some of that now. where i live we have opened several shelters and everything has either been bought by the city or has been donated by private citizens or businesses. when you need money from the government they are nowhere to be found, but when the situation is reversed, god help you if you do not pay up.
 
redguru said:
Stop trying to politicize this tragedy. There is no room for it from the right or left. Frankly, it disgusts me. This area is a logistical nightmare.
come on dude, you have to admit, right or left, that the goverment is doing a horrible job of handling this situation.

there should have been national guard, state of emergency/martial law and relief aides 2-3 days a go. This didn't start today.
 
not trying to poiticize anything. i am trying to make sense of this shit hole mess. and if anyone thinks that politics does not play a part in this they are crazy. you can bet your ass that if this happened in texas or washington dc you would not see people walking down the i10 bridge and causeway dieing from starvation and filth.
 
bb079 said:
that is great, but why was this not done four days ago. the governments inability to react in an expediant manner is inexcusable. the president seemed to be at lose for words when asked some questions. imagine that.


Let's start at the local and state levels before blaming the federal government.

Local and state have to ask first and they drug their feet before this awful event ever unfolded. They thought they could handle it but they couldn't.

There is a protocol in government for exactly these things. If there wasn't a protocol, the feds would be called in to every industrial accident, car wreck, bicycle wreck, etc. and that is not possible.

State and local governments have to realize these things and be willing to turn over the reigns to the feds. Of course, that doesn't serve well when re-election comes around because it would make those officials look incompetent and make people wonder why they elected them in the first place.

So there are a lot more factors in place than just saying, "why didn't the US react sooner."
 
it did not take half as long to start sending aid to the tsunami victims and that was half way around the world. louisiana is right here and what have we gotten so far, jackshit.
 
SoreArms said:
come on dude, you have to admit, right or left, that the goverment is doing a horrible job of handling this situation.

there should have been national guard, state of emergency/marshal law and relief aides 2-3 days a go. This didn't start today.


True, but that falls upon Mary Landreau, not GWB.
 
fema warned the state of la and the fed government three years ago of tthe results of a catagory 5 hurricane hitting new orleans would be, and they were right. fema recommended strenghtning the canal and systems at a cost of 110,000,000.00. what did he do, he gave them half that and said do what you can. i know that he cant read the future, but when you have experts at your disposal and they advised you that this will occur if the situation arrises, you can be justified in saying that he is partially to blame. and now this crapy response, wtf.
 
you are right. but that goes back to what said before. in this state things do not get done unless it benefits the politician backing the idea. mary landreau should have stepped up, as well as sen vitter, and told gwb to take action, but what would that have resulted in, both being blackballed.
 
bb079 said:
fema warned the state of la and the fed government three years ago of tthe results of a catagory 5 hurricane hitting new orleans would be, and they were right. fema recommended strenghtning the canal and systems at a cost of 110,000,000.00. what did he do, he gave them half that and said do what you can. i know that he cant read the future, but when you have experts at your disposal and they advised you that this will occur if the situation arrises, you can be justified in saying that he is partially to blame. and now this crapy response, wtf.



I think I read yesterday that you are helping those people...Big Hug for you.

You are beating your head against the wall with some of the people here..not worth it.
 
bb079 said:
fema warned the state of la and the fed government three years ago of tthe results of a catagory 5 hurricane hitting new orleans would be, and they were right. fema recommended strenghtning the canal and systems at a cost of 110,000,000.00. what did he do, he gave them half that and said do what you can. i know that he cant read the future, but when you have experts at your disposal and they advised you that this will occur if the situation arrises, you can be justified in saying that he is partially to blame. and now this crapy response, wtf.

LA has been warned of the breaches in the canal system since Hurricane Betsy, that's 40 years. Sorry, GWB was at Yale playing lacrosse then. You know damn well that no project is ever fully funded by the federal government and the State of Louisiana and Orleans Parish dropped that ball. Stop with all the armchair quarterbacking, give a few bucks to the American Red Cross, or go donate blood. Don't prejudice these people with emotional tirades against the establishment because you have an axe to grind.
 
you are right, but when you have to look at them and here parents tryin to explain to their children what is happening, you just get mad as hell and wonder why is there not anyone, anyoe from fema, state of la, us gov., here to atleast show their support in person instead of doing news conferences on cnn.
 
like i said before, i acknowledge that there are many that could have possibly prevented the severity of this. but i would never attempt to take advantage of someone while in a weakened state and push my political ideals them. and i have gave blood, have you?
 
bb079 said:
you are right. but that goes back to what said before. in this state things do not get done unless it benefits the politician backing the idea. mary landreau should have stepped up, as well as sen vitter, and told gwb to take action, but what would that have resulted in, both being blackballed.


It is sad that politics plays that big a role in a catastrophe like this but it does.

I wonder who came up with the idea of putting NO in a hole and then build a wall around it and hoping for the best. I also wonder how much of the responsibility lies with NO about the levees.

The levees were built to sustain a category 3 direct hit hurricane and it didn't even do that. Sort of like building a building and claiming it to be earthquake proof and the first earthquake that comes along levels it. Smoke and mirrors.

Also, I love my ignore button.
 
bb079 said:
like i said before, i acknowledge that there are many that could have possibly prevented the severity of this. but i would never attempt to take advantage of someone while in a weakened state and push my political ideals them. and i have gave blood, have you?

Yes I have and have donated money.
 
bb079 said:
like i said before, i acknowledge that there are many that could have possibly prevented the severity of this. but i would never attempt to take advantage of someone while in a weakened state and push my political ideals them. and i have gave blood, have you?


Giving blood is an excellent idea to help.

I grew up in Houston and have life-long friends there. A lot of them have family in NO that they have not heard from. I know some of my friends have actually rented apts for some people to live in.
 
alot of area citizens here have came to the shelters and offered rooms for them to stay in. some have even been given homes to stay in until back on their feet. love em all.
 
bb079 said:
alot of area citizens here have came to the shelters and offered rooms for them to stay in. some have even been given homes to stay in until back on their feet. love em all.


This is from Houston...

Dozens and dozens of buses in queue now ....

~~~~~~~
HPD officer: Only 3 arrests today. The two who were fighting and one "minor assault."

MORE: Newsperson saying "Heck, I've slept in those seats up there before, when the Oilers were playing!" (My note: Me, too!) They're also saying that the fire marshall had not been counting the walkways and all the open areas inside the Dome on upper levels, where many more cots could be put--also closer to the restrooms. Now people from Houston are coming out to take some of the refugees home with them. (My note: Sorry, I'm crying now.)

Another reporter: Talking to a pastor who has come out to aid people. Never seen anything like this, even in 3rd world countries where he has traveled. Reporter asks how he can counsel these people who have lost so much. He says, "Keep hope alive." He says they have been coming in waves to his and other churches here in Houston. They have all been so grateful for Houston's hospitality, he says. Reporter is asking about the criminal element who are also coming. Pastor says we have to pray they are in the minority. All, we must keep law and order and the greatest law is LOVE. Over 100 Houston pastors are opening their churches and are holding clothing drives for all these people. He believes 250,000 people will eventually be in Houston from NOLA. He is saying "Jesus said I was a stranger and you took me in." He says to the refugees, to remember the parable of Job. This is a trial to keep hope alive.

Current estimate: 1800 waiting on premises - all will be processed and allowed in.

Medical triage tent very visible at bus drop-off point.

HPD officer says there is NOW plenty of food inside.


And this too...at 12:44 am cst

108 buses in the queue ....

60 per = 6,480 people

All will be allowed in the Astrodome.

and this last bit of info....posted at 1:15 am cst

NEW INFO: They are opening Reliant Center with food and a place to rest. City of Houston person, Pat Trahan, says the problem arose when it became obvious that long-term care and comfort would not be possible inside the Astrodome. Capped out at 12,000, he said. Communications had broken down with City of NOLA and the SuperDome, so buses just kept coming. Reporter is asking, what happened with the 25,000 goal? Trahan said they were working all along to open other shelters that would alleviate the problems of comfort in the Astrodome. Now with the Reliant Center opening, a huge exhibit hall, there will be more space and plenty of food.

Reporter asked Trahan about the death we heard about: he said it was a woman between 60-70 who had cancer and succumbed to cardiac arrest, with doctors on hand.

Doctor now on asking for many, many more doctors to come help in Astrodome. He wants everyone to know that the reports of numerous medical personnel on-hand aren't correct. They are seeing many, many people with heart problems, asthma and kidney problems, especially. The rate at which so many people are flowing in is too many--plus the details of getting them the proper medical attention they need, at an emergency room or otherwise hospital admission. Several people have arrived in critical condition.
 
For the bleeding hearts liberals on this thread...

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Display...eeast_September42.xml&section=middleeast&col=

BAGHDAD — “Nature is taking its fury on America", the latest instance being Hurricane Katrina, that has killed over 100 people so far, and wrought devastation across wide swathes of the United States.

This is the view of many Iraqis, who watch with curiosity the flooding unleashed by the hurricane in the US in the past few days.

"Bush and America are made to pay a price for his reckless and devastating acts in Iraq", they say, pointing to reports that the highest-ever two-year total for overall hurricane activity in the North Atlantic was recorded in the past two years, followed by more disasters this year for America.

Katrina caused damages in billions of dollars for the US, and is cited as one of the most costly hurricanes in US history. Four out of the nine worst storms that hit the US in the past three decades, occurred during Bush's reign.

Ivan storm last year cost the US 14.2 billion dollars in damage, while storm Frances in the same year cost 8.9 billion dollars, and Charley, also in 2004, cost Americans 7.5 billion dollars.

A million people were estimated to have fled their homes as deadly storm Kathrina advanced, while those who stayed back were reported to be running out of water and electricity in the storm and flood-hit areas.

“We go without water and electricity, and they too suffer the same, thanks to Mother Nature", said an elderly Iraqi running a restaurant in central Baghdad.
 
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