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Next Monday get ready for MMA every week. Unleashed show #2 takes place with FIVE fights. Two of the fights will be featuring Ivan Salaverry who is in the main event against Nathan Marquardt on Friday August 6th's LIVE show on Spike TV. So we will have MMA on MONDAY AND FRIDAY next week!

August 1st - 11:05 pm et
Unleashed #2- Spike TV

Ivan Salaverry vs. Tony Fryklund
Ivan Salaverry vs. Joe Riggs
Chris Leben vs. Jason Thacker
Josh Koscheck vs. Chris Sanford
Nate Quarry vs. Lodune Sincaid

August 6th - 8:00 pm et
Unleashed #2 Replay - Spike TV
Ultimate Fight Night LIVE - Spike TV

Ivan Salaverry vs Nathan Marquardt
Stephan Bonnar vs Sam Hoger
Kenny Florian vs Alex Karalexis
Mike Swick vs Gideon Ray
Josh Koscheck vs Pete Spratt
Nate Quarry vs Pete Sell
Chris Leben vs Patrick Cote
Drew Fickett vs Josh Neer

Then Spike TV will give us another edition of Unleased with a third installment of the program for Monday August 8th. We do not know yet what fights will be shown. Here is the entire tv schedule for a busy August on Spike AND Fox Sports Network.

August 8th - 11:05 pm et
Unleashed #3- Spike TV
Content TBA

August 11th - time tba
The Ultimate Rematch - Spike TV
Coutdown Special to Liddell vs. Horn

August 14th - Check local listings time
Fox Sports Network
Liddell vs. Horn
Liddell vs. Babalu
Horn Highlights

August 15th - 11:05 pm et
Unleashed #4- Spike TV
Content TBA

August 19th - time tba
The Ultimate Rematch Replay- Spike TV
Countdown Special to Liddell vs. Horn

August 20th - 10:00 pm et
UFC 54: Boiling Point - pay per view

Chuck Liddell vs. Jeremy Horn
Randy Couture vs. Mike Van Arsdale
Diego Sanchez vs. Brian Gassaway
Frank Trigg vs. Georges St. Pierre
Tim Sylvia vs. Tra Telligman
Matt Lindland vs. Joe Riggs
Dave Terrell vs. Trevor Prangley
James Irvin vs. Terry Martin

August 21st - time tba


Unleashed #1 Replay - Spike TV
Unleashed #2 Replay - Spike TV
Unleashed #4 Replay - Spike TV

August 22 - 11:05 pm et
The Ultimate Fighter 2 - Spike TV
Welterweights & Heavyweights compete for two UFC contracts
 
Wow, what a soup can they set Liddell up with. Jeremy Horn has lost to any fighter with a recognizable name. Must be just a record padding fight.
 
I'm looking forward to seeing Karalexis and Swick fight again
I like them both tho I think Karalexis needs a lot more growth on the ground
Swick on the other hand I think is really solid all around
 
Im looking foward to seeing how Nate Quarry does since he was injured on the show. i have a feeling hes gonna be pretty good though.
 
Ianhockey91 said:
Yeah except when he BEAT liddell.
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I think Chuck will KO Horn this time around. Horn is no slouch though. He has an amazing record in my opinion, but if Chuck looks as sharp as he did against Randy theres no way Horn can win.
 
Ianhockey91 said:
Yeah except when he BEAT liddell.
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Wow, I did not even see that one... oops. Still, that was 6 years ago and Chuck is very difficult to take down now. I see Horn getting knocked out. Does this guy even work out? He looks awful.
 
Snypr said:
Thank God for Spike. Finally get to see some fights for free. Keep an eye on the Josh Koscheck/Pete Spratt. I think Spratt will put Joshy to sleep.
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WORD! And I can't wait either. Damn lay & prayers make me sick.
 
KOArtist said:
WORD! And I can't wait either. Damn lay & prayers make me sick.
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I agree. I like ground fighting but not when some dumbass wrestler just lays on top of the guy.
 
ass_face said:
Wow, I did not even see that one... oops. Still, that was 6 years ago and Chuck is very difficult to take down now. I see Horn getting knocked out. Does this guy even work out? He looks awful.
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You guys underestimating Horn will be very surprised. Over 100 fights & never been knocked out. You are right, he doesn't look like much, but he is a master at submissions & very deceiving fighter. Hard for me to predict this one.
 
split endz said:
You guys underestimating Horn will be very surprised. Over 100 fights & never been knocked out. You are right, he doesn't look like much, but he is a master at submissions & very deceiving fighter. Hard for me to predict this one.
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Well, the ufc wants chuck as champ, so I am sure this is just a soup can fight. I see this as not a clean knock out, but a submission through strikes.
 
I'll have to take Lidell by brutal revenge KO, but u never know, Horn is pretty slick if he can get it to the ground.
 
I watched Unleashed #2 last night and I must say:

1) Koscheck's wrestling skills really impressed me. The downside to him is that he seems very scared to get hit. If he can overcome this he'll be a force in 185 pound division.

2) Nate Quarry's standup was very technical. He totally picked apart Lodun.

3) Salaverry is the real deal. Very well rounded. I cant wait to see him against Nathan Marquardt.

Man this is gonna be a good month.
 
JL_204 said:
I watched Unleashed #2 last night and I must say:

1) Koscheck's wrestling skills really impressed me. The downside to him is that he seems very scared to get hit. If he can overcome this he'll be a force in 185 pound division.

2) Nate Quarry's standup was very technical. He totally picked apart Lodun.

3) Salaverry is the real deal. Very well rounded. I cant wait to see him against Nathan Marquardt.

Man this is gonna be a good month.
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1) Koscheck is very raw... if he went up against Tanner, Franklin or even Riggs... he would get killed. He has no finishing skills and he can't strike for shit. He is great at taking someone down and laying on them.

2) Agree with Quarry... I want to see his ground skills.

3) Salaverry is a very smart fighter. Riggs was physically dominating him and he lured him in to a trap. I have seen Riggs fight a few times here in AZ and he is very agressive. When Salaverry was laying on his back I am sure it pissed him off. Being a 22 year old kid... he made a young testosterone filled man's mistake and fell into the wily veterans trap. I would love to see Riggs get another shot at him.
 
Snypr said:
Thank God for Spike. Finally get to see some fights for free. Keep an eye on the Josh Koscheck/Pete Spratt. I think Spratt will put Joshy to sleep.
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OK, I stand corrected. Wow. Didn't see that coming.
 
Koscheck is good on the ground he just had a problem with subs for some reason
I personally can't stand him but he can still fight
on the ground at least
 
I hadn't seen anything from him but a repeated double leg takedown and a hug. I still don't like him but I give credit where it's due. Eliminating a vet like that in such short order means he must have been working hard.
 
Comments on last night fights:

-Koshcheck seems to be a highly effective wrestler , but like someone else stated, he seems scared to get hit. Regardless, it's working for him. For now.

-Leben is a tough mo fo, and has a solid chin. If he was up against a more well rounded fighter, and not someone with EXACLTY the same style of fighting he has, he'd get dominated.

-Nate rocks. I can see this guy going a long, long way. I'd like to see more of his ground game.

-Bonnar has great hands, but they should be better. Two times golden gloves? Shit, you'd think he'd of knocked buddy silly in the first. He looked damn gassed, too, but he admitted that :)

-Mike "Quick" Swick has a well-earned name, great hands. Needs to check the ego at the door, though, or someone will hand him his ass quickly.

-The Salaverry/Marquardt fight was a huge disappoinment; I'd have to say IMO that Salaverry was playing way, WAY too defensive. I expected way more from him, and thought he'd destroyed him from the ground.
 
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MikeMartial said:
Comments on last night fights:

-Koshcheck seems to be a highly effective wrestler , but like someone else stated, he seems scared to get hit. Regardless, it's working for him. For now.

-Leben is a tough mo fo, and has a solid chin. If he was up against a more well rounded fighter, and not someone with EXACLTY the same style of fighting he has, he'd get dominated.

-Nate rocks. I can see this guy going a long, long way. I'd like to see more of his ground game.

-Bonnar has great hands, but they should be better. Two times golden gloves? Shit, you'd think he'd of knocked buddy silly in the first. He looked damn gassed, too, but he admitted that :)

-Mike "Quick" Swick has a well-earned name, great hands. Needs to check the ego at the door, though, or someone will hand him his ass quickly.

-The Salaverry/Marquardt fight was a huge disappoinment; I'd have to say IMO that Slaverry was playing way, WAY too defensive. I expected way more from him, and thought he'd destroyed him from the ground.
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I agree with pretty much everything. Salaverry was giving Marquardt way to much respect IMO. He shouldve just let go.

I think Pete Sell was robbed. The fight was stopped way to early IMO.

The fight of the night was def Leben vs Cote. I was expecting Cote to KO Leben. Leben has improved alot and hes alot more humble now.
I really hope they keep Pat Cote around though. I know hes 0-3 but hes very entertaining to watch.
 
JL_204 said:
I agree with pretty much everything. Salaverry was giving Marquardt way to much respect IMO. He shouldve just let go.

I think Pete Sell was robbed. The fight was stopped way to early IMO.

The fight of the night was def Leben vs Cote. I was expecting Cote to KO Leben. Leben has improved alot and hes alot more humble now.
I really hope they keep Pat Cote around though. I know hes 0-3 but hes very entertaining to watch.
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Pete Sell got knocked out plain and simple. He acted like he was ready to keep going, haha Nate would have really hurt him had the fight continued, Pete should be thankfull. I can see Nate going very far in the UFC, his striking skills are great.
 
fast94ex said:
Pete should be thankfull.
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I agree. The only reason he thought he could keep going was because the ref stopped it before Nate turned his face into mashed potatoes.

Those refs do a fantastic job.
 
fast94ex said:
Pete Sell got knocked out plain and simple. He acted like he was ready to keep going, haha Nate would have really hurt him had the fight continued, Pete should be thankfull. I can see Nate going very far in the UFC, his striking skills are great.
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He was down with his hands and legs up ready to actively defend. That fight was stopped too early.
 
Ianhockey91 said:
He was down with his hands and legs up ready to actively defend. That fight was stopped too early.
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Not a chance. If you watch the replay from various angles, his hands drop as he goes down, but he does recover fast, I'll admit.

But the punch Nate lands while Pete is down is why the ref stopped the fight, not the initial knockdown punch.

In theory, if there was no ref, the fight would have been over in just a few more seconds anyways. ;) Hey, Pete should count his blessings he's healthy for a rematch, and not nursing a swollen melon in ICU.
 
MikeMartial said:
Not a chance. If you watch the replay from various angles, his hands drop as he goes down, but he does recover fast, I'll admit.

But the punch Nate lands while Pete is down is why the ref stopped the fight, not the initial knockdown punch.

In theory, if there was no ref, the fight would have been over in just a few more seconds anyways. ;) Hey, Pete should count his blessings he's healthy for a rematch, and not nursing a swollen melon in ICU.
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I agree completely. They showed the replay in slow motion, the first hit knocked Pete down, not out but it dazed him good. When he was on his back and Nate followed up, that punch is what ended it, Petes head bounced off the matt hard. The ref then stopped it because it was about to get alot worse had Nate kept hitting him. He was basically spared a severe beating and got tko'ed instead.
 
JL_204 said:
Heres the replay: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=280579

Are you sure it wasnt stopped to early???
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haha i still find it funny that people are questioning the decision to stop the fight, sell is knocked the fuck out, period. He is not defending himself on the matt, he put his hands up after he first fell and then nate knocks the hell out of him and his arms drop, like i said before the dude is lucky it was stopped.
 
Snypr said:
I hadn't seen anything from him but a repeated double leg takedown and a hug. I still don't like him but I give credit where it's due. Eliminating a vet like that in such short order means he must have been working hard.
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I don't like him either
and he is afraid to get hit but then so am I
I'm working on it tho
 
The guy wasnt out , and honestly he was in FINE position to defend himself . He MIGHT not have been able to , but that would hav been a Skill thing , the Punch Rocked him but he was still clearly thinking like a Fighter , he Broke his own fall , he then got his hands up and went to work on defending himself - it TOOK TIME , but its going to ! The Ref had already MOVED to stop the fight 4 the first Ground Punch was thrown , he just GOT there late . Basically the fight was taken from the guy for a Knockdown , and no one got to see if he was capable of Wrapping the guy up and buying some Head-Clearing time , wich I dont even thinkhe needed that much of , I mean , he was still FIGHTING , I think the KD was more of a Balance thing anyway .
 
He broke the fall with his hands then tried to dodge the next punch. The fight was called before the 2nd punch was thrown. He was actively able to defend himself and that should have been what let the fight keep going.
 
I agree, that fight was definitely stopped early. The Kenny Florian/ Karalexis fight that wasn't televised was a good fight too. Kenny split Karalexis nose wide open with an elbow to stop the fight. Spike is supposed to be taking out the Salaverry fight and putting in the Florian fight for the replay.
 
fast94ex said:
haha i still find it funny that people are questioning the decision to stop the fight, sell is knocked the fuck out, period. He is not defending himself on the matt, he put his hands up after he first fell and then nate knocks the hell out of him and his arms drop, like i said before the dude is lucky it was stopped.
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Dude your baked if you watch that replay and still think he was out? That was as far from out as it gets!!
 
Golddoor said:
Dude your baked if you watch that replay and still think he was out? That was as far from out as it gets!!
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i think the fight was FAIRLY and WISELY stopped...quarry hit em with a great left to DAZE him and knock him down...then hits him with an even HARDER 1 when he hits the floor...think about it...getting hit really hard when you're ALREADY dazed...and some of you still think he could've defended himself? quarry woulda sent 10 identical punches to his face and given em a few new bruises around the eyes
 
1_more_rep said:
i think the fight was FAIRLY and WISELY stopped...quarry hit em with a great left to DAZE him and knock him down...then hits him with an even HARDER 1 when he hits the floor...think about it...getting hit really hard when you're ALREADY dazed...and some of you still think he could've defended himself? quarry woulda sent 10 identical punches to his face and given em a few new bruises around the eyes
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You are most likely right, but watching the first Courture vs Rizzo fight the other night... it looked like it should have been stopped in the first round... Rizzo recovered and made a good fight of it.
 
blah blah blah, who won? thats what i thought, wether you agree or disagree sell was the one who got knocked down and then got hit hard while on his back, the ref stopped it before it got any worse. He lost get over it.
 
I just watched the liddell vs horn special and im pumped for this. Im rooting for Chuck but he definately has his hands full. Horn has some sick groundskills.

Chuck via KO round 2
 
JL_204 said:
I just watched the liddell vs horn special and im pumped for this. Im rooting for Chuck but he definately has his hands full. Horn has some sick groundskills.

Chuck via KO round 2
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I agree. Chuck will have to be better than his best to beat Horn. I had Chuck via TKO in round 1.....but now, after seeing a bit about Horn, shit, I dunno. It'll be good, regardless :evil:
 
fast94ex said:
blah blah blah, who won? thats what i thought, wether you agree or disagree sell was the one who got knocked down and then got hit hard while on his back, the ref stopped it before it got any worse. He lost get over it.
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I could care less who won, however it was stopped early, watch the replay and watch him ACTIVELY dodge most of the second punch, he would have pulled a gaurd or half gaurd in a second and the punches would have stopped allowing recovery.
 
I'm sticking with Horn, and I'll be back to this thread to talk about whatever happens. Horn by submission. ps. Horn will stand up with Chuck, and if he gets inside, he will win the stand-up game as well.
 
ass_face said:
You are most likely right, but watching the first Courture vs Rizzo fight the other night... it looked like it should have been stopped in the first round... Rizzo recovered and made a good fight of it.
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it also looked like a Rizzo victory
if we are talkign about the same one
where at the end Randy looked suprised to be awarded the victory
 
Ianhockey91 said:
I could care less who won, however it was stopped early, watch the replay and watch him ACTIVELY dodge most of the second punch, he would have pulled a gaurd or half gaurd in a second and the punches would have stopped allowing recovery.
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1st if that was him dodging most of the second punch, his dodging needs a lot of work cus he got hit with it
2nd in what world do you live where gaurd or half gaurd stops punches?
 
Kane Fan said:
2nd in what world do you live where gaurd or half gaurd stops punches?
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That what i would like to know also.

As far as the Lidell vs. horn fight goes, im gonna say it ends like the past few fight chuck has been in. HE will ko horn in the first or second round no doubt.
 
Half gaurd and wrap him up up top minimizes blows and dropping bombs is pretty damn hard if the gaurd is good. I said he dodged most of it, tell me which is worse getting hit dead on or dodging most of a punch and getting hit a little
 
tell me what's worse a fight getting stopped early or a fight getting stopped after your seriously injured...

dude he was so out of it he didn't know what was going on when the Ref landed on top of them...
he was still trying to fight and trying to wrap up nate's upperbody even tho he could feel the ref on top of them
to me that qualifies as 'out of it'
 
From where he was, he did not know the fight was called, and the rules state to defend yourself at all times. He wasnt out like your saying watch the replay.
 
Ianhockey91 said:
From where he was, he did not know the fight was called, and the rules state to defend yourself at all times. He wasnt out like your saying watch the replay.
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I saw the fight last night... definitely stopped too early. Sell took a shot, but he was not out. He was trying to wrap Nate up and survive the barrage. The referee was far too over zealous.
 
Kane Fan said:
tell me what's worse a fight getting stopped early or a fight getting stopped after your seriously injured...
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That's about the best thing anyone has said about that fight.

Let's quit beating a dead horse and move on, guys. We all have our opinions about the fight, and the answer won't come unless a rematch happens.
 
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Ianhockey91 said:
From where he was, he did not know the fight was called, and the rules state to defend yourself at all times. He wasnt out like your saying watch the replay.
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he didn't know the fight was called, even tho he could FEEL the Ref laying on top of Nate and hear him yelling to stop fighting cus it was over....
 
I can't call the Liddell/Horn because I haven't seen enough of Horn to tell if A.His defensive standup can keep him from eating Chuck's punches. or B. He's a good enough wrestler to outdo Chuck's takedown defense. Randy did it in the first fight, but Horn isn't Randy.
 
Snypr said:
I can't call the Liddell/Horn because I haven't seen enough of Horn to tell if A.His defensive standup can keep him from eating Chuck's punches. or B. He's a good enough wrestler to outdo Chuck's takedown defense. Randy did it in the first fight, but Horn isn't Randy.
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A. Horn has never been knocked down by a punch, let alone knocked out. His defense is extremely good.

B. Not sure on this part. Chuck's sprawl is one of the best in the game. Horn is very crafty though.
 
Snypr said:
I can't call the Liddell/Horn because I haven't seen enough of Horn to tell if A.His defensive standup can keep him from eating Chuck's punches. or B. He's a good enough wrestler to outdo Chuck's takedown defense. Randy did it in the first fight, but Horn isn't Randy.
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Another quick analysis... Horn has a record of 75-13

Of his 13 losses Losses 5 Submissions, 8 Decisions... most of his fights go the distance.
 
Solid show.

GSP rocks. He completely dominated Trigg.

Tim Sylvia looked better than usual.

Chuck dominated Horn.

UFC 54 was one of the better cards ive seen.
 
JL_204 said:
Solid show.

GSP rocks. He completely dominated Trigg.

Tim Sylvia looked better than usual.

Chuck dominated Horn.

UFC 54 was one of the better cards ive seen.
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How'd Randy do?????????!!!!!!!!!
 
I thought it was a great UFC and money well spent. GSP ablsolutely destroyed Trigg. After it was over it looked as if Trigg was crying. I think he was extremely frustrated. I was very impressed too with Diego Sanchez. I think he is one to watch. His record is now 14-0. The Chuck Vs Horn fight was something to see. Chuck basically played with Horn, knocking him down several times, but instead of finishing him off, he let him get up time and time again. Horn's face was all messed up and in the end he couldn't see and asked the fight be stopped.

There were also 2 complete knockouts in this UFC. I'm talking lights out, body goes limp, guy taken out on a stretcher. Normally we don't see too many of those, but here there were 2 amazing ones. First by Sylvia who kicked Tra Telligman right in the head at 4:59 in the first round. Tra was gone. The second total KO, and my favorite of the night, was when James Irvin, at the beginning of the second round, immediately went into a flying knee and completely knocked out Terry Martin. A great UFC indeed.
 
Snarling Force said:
I thought it was a great UFC and money well spent. GSP ablsolutely destroyed Trigg. After it was over it looked as if Trigg was crying. I think he was extremely frustrated. I was very impressed too with Diego Sanchez. I think he is one to watch. His record is now 14-0. The Chuck Vs Horn fight was something to see. Chuck basically played with Horn, knocking him down several times, but instead of finishing him off, he let him get up time and time again. Horn's face was all messed up and in the end he couldn't see and asked the fight be stopped.
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I think Trigg may be done in the UFC for a while. 2 straight losses usually means your contract is revoked.

Diego got a nice soup can to knock down. That guy was pretty much a pure journeyman striker... I knew Diego would smother him. It appeared Diego could have submitted him several times with some armbars or chokes, but he seems to want to punish people... gotta love it.

I was not happy with Horn's performance. He was just not strong enough to compete at the 205 level. There was no way he was going to get a takedown on Chuck. He is just far too weak to power through Chuck's sprawl. He tried to lure Chuck to the ground several times when he got knocked down, but Chuck wasn't having it. I give Horn credit, he can take a punch, but Chuck was too much for him.
 
Snarling Force said:
The second total KO, and my favorite of the night, was when James Irvin, at the beginning of the second round, immediately went into a flying knee and completely knocked out Terry Martin. A great UFC indeed.
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I just got back from Vegas... this was probably the highlight of the night LOL the crowd went completely bananas when this happened!!
 
that flying knee was awsome
only way it could have been cooler was if it happend first round instead of second
cus it'd be a 5 second fight
 
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