Tylenol slow muscle growth?

[alex2678]

I can't remember what it was, but years ago, I think I read somewhere that said either Tylenol or Aspirin prevents the muscle from rebuilding stronger. (Dan Duchaine maybe) I've gotten to the level where my "light" high rep weight is actually very heavy so I'm starting to get some pain in my left elbow every workout. I usually take a couple tylenol before I go to the gym, but I was wondering if this is going to slow down further gains. It hasn't done anything so far, but I was just curious.

 

[Lifterforlife]

NSAID's are shown to inhibit protein synthesis.

 

[pong21]

I can't remember what it was, but years ago, I think I read somewhere that said either Tylenol or Aspirin prevents the muscle from rebuilding stronger. (Dan Duchaine maybe) I've gotten to the level where my "light" high rep weight is actually very heavy so I'm starting to get some pain in my left elbow every workout. I usually take a couple tylenol before I go to the gym, but I was wondering if this is going to slow down further gains. It hasn't done anything so far, but I was just curious.

Maybe so, but I'd rather be able to push the heavy weights than have to go light because of some nagging pain. I did read somewhere that it has some effect, but not a huge one. Dont quote me on that either.

 

[kiosk]

Maybe so, but I'd rather be able to push the heavy weights than have to go light because of some nagging pain. I did read somewhere that it has some effect, but not a huge one. Dont quote me on that either.

Amen brotha.....no scientific proof anyways

 

[MikeMartial]

I was actually looking for an older post about this, but found this thread in the search.

So, I guess that throws out the excuse "There's no scientific proof anyways"

Common sense rule: If injured, use after training. Just don't ever pop BEFORE, or in massive doses. But then again, common sense isn't so common....

 

[Lifterforlife]

Yeah, there is some evidence of this as I stated. Nice post MM. K to you.

 

[view]

Amen brotha.....no scientific proof anyways

what rock have you been living under? Their is eons of scientific evidence of this.

 

[alex2678]

I was actually looking for an older post about this, but found this thread in the search.

So, I guess that throws out the excuse "There's no scientific proof anyways"

Common sense rule: If injured, use after training. Just don't ever pop BEFORE, or in massive doses. But then again, common sense isn't so common....

Thanks for that article. Anyone have any luck with topical creams, aside from, mineral ice? MSM or glucosamine maybe? Would these slow down protein synthesis as well?

 

[Lifterforlife]

I have never found a study or any evidence of any kind linking G/C to any negative protein effects. The only negatives are folks with shellfish allergies.

Topicals should be fine.

 

[kiosk]

what rock have you been living under? Their is eons of scientific evidence of this.

obviously if you oversode anything is bad.....that was the context of my comment.

 

[pong21]

It will do something, but whatever it does is not enough to completely ruin the training that was done. So the best thing to do is pop one before your workout and train your ass off. If you arent on the juice then you really dont have anything to worry about, so get the injury better asap.

 

[MikeMartial]

So the best thing to do is pop one before your workout and train your ass off. If you arent on the juice then you really dont have anything to worry about, so get the injury better asap.

Holy hell that has to be the worst piece of advice I have ever heard. The LAST thing you want to do is take an analgesic BEFORE you train; the potential of exacerbating a current injury is huge. Then your training, and gains, would be at a total standstill.

See what I mean about common sense not being so common??!? Fuck!

 

[pong21]

Holy hell that has to be the worst piece of advice I have ever heard. The LAST thing you want to do is take an analgesic BEFORE you train; the potential of exacerbating a current injury is huge. Then your training, and gains, would be at a total standstill.

See what I mean about common sense not being so common??!? Fuck!

....what are you talking about dude. It is a damn aspirin. We use that shit in our ECA stacks all the time, and take it three times a day. So I dont know where you are coming from saying that is bad advice.

 

[pong21]

Holy hell that has to be the worst piece of advice I have ever heard. The LAST thing you want to do is take an analgesic BEFORE you train; the potential of exacerbating a current injury is huge. Then your training, and gains, would be at a total standstill.

See what I mean about common sense not being so common??!? Fuck!

Shit, plus he said it is just a nagging pain in his elbow. It isnt like he just tore is ACL and I'm telling him to pop a advil and do some squats.

You need to chill.

 

[MikeMartial]

....what are you talking about dude. It is a damn aspirin. We use that shit in our ECA stacks all the time, and take it three times a day. So I dont know where you are coming from saying that is bad advice.

The amount of ASA used in a ECA stack is minor...325mg. There's pretty much zero analgesic effects from that. In fact, the ASA in ECA is pretty much pointless....but that's a different thread.

What I'm refering to is guys taking higher doses of ibuprofen or acetaminophen (or even strong rx meds) prior to training; you run the risk of re-injury, or worsening a pre-existing injury. I'm sure guys do it with good intentions, but they are just sabotaging their gains.

 

[pong21]

The amount of ASA used in a ECA stack is minor...325mg. There's pretty much zero analgesic effects from that. In fact, the ASA in ECA is pretty much pointless....but that's a different thread.

What I'm refering to is guys taking higher doses of ibuprofen or acetaminophen (or even strong rx meds) prior to training; you run the risk of re-injury, or worsening a pre-existing injury. I'm sure guys do it with good intentions, but they are just sabotaging their gains.

I dont know how big the aspirins are were you are from but my bottle says 500mg a pill. If anything I would only take two. There is a 1g right there. For the ECA stack, you said 325mg. 325mg three times a day is extremely close to my 1g. So by your calculations, there shouldnt really be any analgesic effects from it either, right?

 

[pong21]

Actually, I'm just glad that we are able to get a discussion going in this forum. This place has been kinda dead for awhile.

 

[MikeMartial]

To get into a decent analgesic/anti-inflammatory range for ASA, you need over 975mg as a one-time dose. 325mg is standard tab, 500mg is extra-strength.

While ASA is considered an NSAID, it works on a different mechanism than ibuprofen or acetaminophen. The study the original poster was talking about was based on ibuprofen, which has greater anti-inflammatory action than both ASA or acetaminophen. But this is all beside the point, anyways.

The point still remains: "numbing" an injury prior to working out like is shooting yourself in the foot. You'd be doing more harm than good.

 

[Lifterforlife]

The aspirin in the ECA stack was pointless. It did not have the effects they originally thought. The idea of the aspirin was to thin the blood to carry more fat cells I believe, and that it enhanced the thermogenic aspects of ephedrine.

 

[MikeMartial]

Actually, I'm just glad that we are able to get a discussion going in this forum. This place has been kinda dead for awhile.

Your right. Most of the topics have been about which new rip-off products high school kids should spend their parents money on

 

[SgtSlaughter]

LOL, this thread cracked me up! Good points all around... especially the common sense one Your damn right about the not so common, common sense!

In closing, don't take drugs that will make you NOT feel something you could potientially hurt during exercise... like morphine, opiates in general, alcohol, pain killers, and extra strength OTC pain "relievers."

- SGT