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TWO WEEK CYCLES are the safest!
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jh1
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Realgains -
Great Info!
One Question, I suppose I would like to ask both RealGains and Nelson Montana :
What would a safe and beneficial cycle look like using drugs a doctor can prescribe in the US?
Most Test is legal, Deca, Anavar, Winstrol, and a few other AAS is legal. I can provide a detailed list if necessary.
JH1
Great Info!
One Question, I suppose I would like to ask both RealGains and Nelson Montana :
What would a safe and beneficial cycle look like using drugs a doctor can prescribe in the US?
Most Test is legal, Deca, Anavar, Winstrol, and a few other AAS is legal. I can provide a detailed list if necessary.
JH1
jh1 said:
I don't think you can get winstrol legally. Deca is no good for a short cycle as it is too long acting .
A "Bill Roberts" type two weeker would look like the following..
#1. Test prop 300mg on day one followed by 100mg per for 11 days. Also Anavar 50mg per day for 14 days. Clomid on day 15 and for 3 weeks minimum. Have clomid or Nolva on hand for gyno protection just in case.
OR
#2. test cyp or enanthate 750mg on day one for one shot only and then anavar 50mg per day for 14 day with clomid starting on day 15.
OR
#3. Nandrolone phenylprop(not sure you can get it in the USA) at 300mg on day one and then 125 mg every day for 10 or 11 days. Anavar 50mg per day for 14 days. Clomid on day 15.
#1 above would give the best results.
You could extend the cycle to three weeks but recovery of HPTA would be a little slower and Roberts recommends two weeks "on" as the max time "on" if recovery is to be as fast as possible.
NELSON MONTANA would prefer a three week cycle that wasn't so suppressive since he doesn't like clomid.
An example of a Montana cycle this hormones that one could get in the USA would likely look something like this, BUT it's best if Nelson answers... HELLO NELSON
....Test sust, cyp or enanthate 250mg on day one and then 100mg on day 3 then 100 on day 5 and another 100 on day 7. Also anavar 30mg per day for the entire 3 weeks. Proviron at 25 mg per day for 5 days at the end of the cycle..NO CLOMID
Nelson acturally perfers Primo/d-bol but I don't think you can get primo is the USA and definately NOT d-bol.
I think you can get anandrol but I don't like this hormone and either does Nelson....BUT....at 50mg /day it could be a powerful addition to an injectable.
RG
jh1
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RealGains -
Awesome!!!!!!
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Here is some addtional information regarding what I know to be legal via a script here in the states:
Nandrolone (Deca)
Oxandrolone (Anavar)
Oxymetholone (Anadrol)
Fluoxymesterone (Halotestin)
Stanazolol (Winstrol)
And of course all Test esters... does the availablity of any of this change anything?
I assume Clomid and Nolva are available via a script??
I hate to ask you to answer for Nelson... but if you know why he doesn't like Clomid, fill me in.
JH1
Awesome!!!!!!
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Here is some addtional information regarding what I know to be legal via a script here in the states:
Nandrolone (Deca)
Oxandrolone (Anavar)
Oxymetholone (Anadrol)
Fluoxymesterone (Halotestin)
Stanazolol (Winstrol)
And of course all Test esters... does the availablity of any of this change anything?
I assume Clomid and Nolva are available via a script??
I hate to ask you to answer for Nelson... but if you know why he doesn't like Clomid, fill me in.
JH1
jh1 said:
Well you could substitute winstrol for anavar. I don't like halo as I don't think it has very good ananbolic properties,although its a very powerful androgen, and its quite toxic. Anandrol and Halo are likely the most toxic roids out there so they don't really fit into the "mind set" of short safe cycles.
Nelson doeen't like clomid for several reasons..#1. he doesn't think it is necessary with his type of cycles #2. He thinks it can have somewhat bad sides in some. #3. He thinks it can also leed to HPTA suppression.
The clomid issue has been gone over any times...you may wish to review my old post on "clomid, what why how"
RG
RG
jh1 said:
Winstrol if money was an issue and anavar if your hair is an issue...also anavar is a bit easier on the old liver. Anavar is an all round better hormone IMHO...trouble is it's expensive.
These two are not the best choice though as I feel d-bol is better for mass on a two weeker.
Oh...if you were going to run nandrolone phenylprop then I would run the winstrol with it as many belive that winny counters the PR activation of nandrolone..they also are somehow synergestic and make for a good building stack.
RG
gunner44
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2 Weeks works for me !
I would like to chime in here on these 2 week cycles. I now have 2 under my belt and I can say for sure that they are not "voodoo" or "bullshit". Done right you can get decent results.
For starters, I think people need to be aware of the side effects of tren, especially when combined with other estrogenic AAS. Tren Acetate seems to be a good choice since it is a short acting ester, but beware.
Tren can AND does act like a progestin. It causes mamery tissue stimulation in existing breast tissue which explains whay a lot of tren users get sore nips, but no gyno. If you ALREADY have excess mamery tissue from past bouts with gyno, then you will be milky in no time. No Kidding!!
When you combine Tren with high levels of an estrogenic AAS like D-bol and or Prop, then you have a potentially ugly situation.
Tren seems to raise progestrerone levels through conversion into progesterone as well as acting as a progestin (ie. progesterone receptor agonist).
If you choose to use Tren in short cycles, I would recommend only moderate dosage of estrogenic AAS otherwise your new tits will be fully functional !
I have also found out first hand that mixing high doses of Tren and Anadrol is a very BAD IDEA !! Way too much progestenic related sides going on. Dont do it !
Progesterone related sides and gyno are very difficult to understand and IMPOSSIBLE to fight off ! Estrogen related gyno can be combatted; PROGESTIN/PROGESTERONE related gyno CANNOT!!!
If you feel the need to hammer down Tren with Prop and you have never done it before, then BE CAREFULL and use a moderate amount of anti-e's during your cycle and POST cycle for sure to control estrogen levels. I personally have run 10mg NOLVADEX but still got sore nips with Tren/Prop at HIGH doses.
If you are gyno prone STAY THE HELL AWAY from Tren and anything estrogenic unless you know how to manage your estrogen levels.
Gunner Out
I would like to chime in here on these 2 week cycles. I now have 2 under my belt and I can say for sure that they are not "voodoo" or "bullshit". Done right you can get decent results.
For starters, I think people need to be aware of the side effects of tren, especially when combined with other estrogenic AAS. Tren Acetate seems to be a good choice since it is a short acting ester, but beware.
Tren can AND does act like a progestin. It causes mamery tissue stimulation in existing breast tissue which explains whay a lot of tren users get sore nips, but no gyno. If you ALREADY have excess mamery tissue from past bouts with gyno, then you will be milky in no time. No Kidding!!
When you combine Tren with high levels of an estrogenic AAS like D-bol and or Prop, then you have a potentially ugly situation.
Tren seems to raise progestrerone levels through conversion into progesterone as well as acting as a progestin (ie. progesterone receptor agonist).
If you choose to use Tren in short cycles, I would recommend only moderate dosage of estrogenic AAS otherwise your new tits will be fully functional !
I have also found out first hand that mixing high doses of Tren and Anadrol is a very BAD IDEA !! Way too much progestenic related sides going on. Dont do it !
Progesterone related sides and gyno are very difficult to understand and IMPOSSIBLE to fight off ! Estrogen related gyno can be combatted; PROGESTIN/PROGESTERONE related gyno CANNOT!!!
If you feel the need to hammer down Tren with Prop and you have never done it before, then BE CAREFULL and use a moderate amount of anti-e's during your cycle and POST cycle for sure to control estrogen levels. I personally have run 10mg NOLVADEX but still got sore nips with Tren/Prop at HIGH doses.
If you are gyno prone STAY THE HELL AWAY from Tren and anything estrogenic unless you know how to manage your estrogen levels.
Gunner Out
Prostate health
If one were to do this type of cycling for a lifetime (but maybe even a more conservative version with 6 weeks off) would there be aggravation to the prostate?
The reason I ask is because of all the negative press to prostate cancer caused by extra test or general AAS usage. Would this be the best cycle to prevent this, or will even this inflamate the prostate? If so, is there such a thing as a safe cycle that causes no inflamation of the prostate?
If one were to do this type of cycling for a lifetime (but maybe even a more conservative version with 6 weeks off) would there be aggravation to the prostate?
The reason I ask is because of all the negative press to prostate cancer caused by extra test or general AAS usage. Would this be the best cycle to prevent this, or will even this inflamate the prostate? If so, is there such a thing as a safe cycle that causes no inflamation of the prostate?
Well excess test(and probably other androgens) are a proven issue if there is already cancer cells present. If there is even a few cancer cells they will feed off the test, and probably other androgens as well.
I had elevated PSA after a long cycle of test/tren...it turned out to be from prostatitis but my urologist warned me that at least in theory taking test and other gear could cause cancer. That is not proven but it makes some sence to me and my doc.
The weak androgens are easier on the prostate that test for example but they don't work that well in a short cycle IMHO.
RG
I had elevated PSA after a long cycle of test/tren...it turned out to be from prostatitis but my urologist warned me that at least in theory taking test and other gear could cause cancer. That is not proven but it makes some sence to me and my doc.
The weak androgens are easier on the prostate that test for example but they don't work that well in a short cycle IMHO.
RG
