Brto, I was a long time beleiver in CEL prohormones and to an extent I still am. But I gotta tell ya this Turinabol is the shxt. And the thing is I am on a cut, I cant imagaine what it would be like on a bulk, haha, that's why I just ordered a couple more. I also have a bottle of Superdrone LV for a rainy day. Take care