I actually think tbol is really great for strength. People that bodybuild don't notice the strength gaining effect that much because it helps promote gains in an explosive strength manner, not really the way bodybuilders usually train. Obviously it is not the best drug for that purpose, but it does a dang good job for it. There was a female shot putter that was only on tbol solo and she actually ended up getting a 480 front squat and a 396 bench. They didn't have suits or shirts back then, so of course it was raw....I did read a study that proved that tbol somehow manipulates the motor recruitment of the fast twitch muscle fibers more so than most steroids....