Hell, I got high-quality results with just 5 tabs mixed w/ DMSO, applied 3 days per week, so I'm not even about making my own. Guys have told me that the results are 2-fold at least, but I am too lazy to invest the time. TT Trenbol was $170.00/20ml in TJ when it first came out, and I'm assuming that by what you guys are saying, that it hasn't dropped that much since. Definitely a rip-off for that price, alot of which probably dealt with the fact that they were the only Tren in town. We should get a better idea of what is a more reasonable price when the QV Tren comes out here shortly.