I should have said this from the start. I bought some tt testonon last summer in tj (older lots), then I just recently got some more lot #20, and cyp #41. Call it a fetish or what, but I always taste my gear. Well, the older testonon has that numbing to the tongue taste, while the newer has no taste (except for the oil). Maybe since tt supposedly fixed the ba proplem this may explain the taste diff. I don't know what ba tastes like. The cyp does have a minor nubming taste. The boxes, holo's, lids labels, etc. matched exactly. and yes they were white lids with tt, square holos with tt and all that "real"stuff. Now, I have tasted lots of gear and I have noticed that even some legit gear has no taste, some does. You can't judge gear on taste alone. But you can judge it on results. I have no biased opinion on tt whatsoever, yet! But when I try mine out I will, and I will let everyone know. And this is why I started this thread. So far we are getting somewhere, I think. There are a lot of replys and a lot of hits (innocent bystanders).I think a lot of people wan't to know, inclucing myself. Especially on the newer cyp and test. I appreciate everyones input, and by all means keep it coming, however know that personal experience holds more credibility that heresay. Thanx again everyone for your info, you guys are great. I know, thats why we are here.