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15 black men killed since 1995 TRUTH ABOUT THE CINCINNATI TROUBLE

The unarmed teen-ager - 19-year-old Timothy Thomas - shot and killed by a Cincinnati police officer early Saturday was the 15th black male to die at the hands of the Cincinnati police since 1995.
The 14 others include:

Adam Wheeler. Wheeler, 21, died when a drug investigation turned into a chaotic shootout inside a Corryville apartment on Jan. 31, 2001. Wheeler - wanted on three open felony warrants, two for aggravated armed robbery, one for attempted abduction - was shot after screaming, ''You want
a war? You got a war!'' to police responding to a drug complaint. A gun was recovered near his body, police said. Wheeler had convictions for cocaine
possession in 1999 and 2000 and twice served seven months in prison. One police officer also was shot in the hand in the incident.
Investigations into the shooting are pending.

Jeffrey Irons. Suspected of shoplifting from an IGA supermarket in Pleasant Ridge, Irons was shot and killed during a Nov. 8, 2000, scuffle with police in which he grabbed one officer's gun and wounded another in the hand. Irons, 30, of Chicago, had been convicted locally of a dozen offenses in the past six years, including felony drug abuse and resisting arrest.
Investigations into Irons' death are continuing.

Roger Owensby Jr. The 29-year-old College Hill man died on Nov. 7, 2000, after a struggle with officers who arrested him outside a Roselawn gas station where he had just purchased an energy drink. According to a store security camera, Owensby fully cooperated with police until he was about to
be handcuffed, when he bolted and was quickly tackled by officers. Officers sprayed him with a chemical irritant, handcuffed him and placed him in the back of a police cruiser, where he was found unconscious shortly thereafter.
He later died of what of a coroner's report termed ''mechanical asphyxiation.''
Two of the five Cincinnati police officers involved in Owensby's arrest were indicted. Robert ''Blaine'' Jorg, 28, was charged with involuntary manslaughter and assault in the death - marking the first time in the city's history that an officer has been charged in a killing on duty. Officer Patrick Caton, 34, was indicted on a charge of assault.
The U.S. Justice Department is investigating Owensby's death.

Courtney Mathis. Mathis, 12, and officer Kevin Crayon both died on Sept. 1, 2000 , after Crayon tried to stop a car being illegally driven in Mount Airy by the underage motorist. When confronted by Crayon, Mathis sped away in the car, dragging the officer nearly 800 feet. While clinging to the car, Crayon fatally shot Mathis in the upper left chest, then was killed instantly seconds later when his head slammed into another car.
Investigations into the incident have not been completed.

Alfred Pope. Pope died in a hail of gunfire from Cincinnati police in the early- morning hours of March 14, 2000, after the 23-year-old Bond Hill man and an accomplice allegedly pistol-whipped, robbed and shot at a group of other men in the hallway of an Avondale apartment. An administrative review cleared the officers involved.

Carey Tompkins. Tompkins, 28, was shot and killed on Oct. 16, 1999, in a West End hallway by a Cincinnati police officer who had responded to 911 call in which an operator overheard people arguing and references to a gun. After arriving, officers, peering through cracks in a door, saw Tompkins standing in a narrow staircase leading to a second-story residence.
When Tompkins opened the door, an officer put his hand out to keep Tompkins from leaving and felt a gun in his waistband, police said. When Tompkins started back up the stairs and pulled the gun out, an officer shot him four times.
The officers involved were exonerated in an administrative hearing.

James King. After robbing a bank in Corryville on Aug. 20, 1999, King was shot and killed by four officers when he refused to obey their order to drop his gun, instead turning toward them with his weapon. Police chased King, who had an extensive criminal history, after a robbery at the Fifth Third Bank, 30 W. Corry St. In the robbery, King gave the bank's assistant manager a note demanding money and saying that he was armed and was prepared to take hostages and kill employees and police. Before fleeing the bank, King fired a shot at one of the tellers but missed. Police pursued him to the University of Cincinnati campus, where they said he jumped out of his car and ignored their orders to surrender, prompting their gunfire.
Reviews by the homicide unit investigation, the police division's internal investigation section and the city's Office of Municipal Investigations later cleared the four officers.

Michael Carpenter. Carpenter, 30, an unarmed black motorist from Mount Airy, was shot and killed by Cincinnati police during an early-morning struggle in Northside on March 19, 1999. The shooting occurred after two officers - Brent McCurley and Michael Miller - saw Carpenter acting suspiciously in a convenience store, followed his car and stopped him for an expired license plate. The officers said Carpenter refused to get out of his car, began reaching between the car's seats, dragged Miller a few feet as he
leaned into the vehicle attempting to remove Carpenter and then attempted to back his car into McCurley.
Multiple investigations into the Carpenter case arrived at different conclusions. The police internal-affairs unit said the officers violated several procedures during the traffic stop but used lethal force justifiably. In contrast, the city's Office of Municipal Investigations
recommended disciplining McCurley. Similarly, the city's seven-member Citizens Police Review Panel said that McCurley ''acted unreasonably, without justification and in violation of police procedures.'' Police Chief Thomas Streicher Jr. ultimately decided to give McCurley a written reprimand and more training. He is still a member of the force; Miller has since resigned.
After reviewing the various probes, the U.S. Justice Department decided not to file federal charges in the case.

Randy Black. A University of Cincinnati student, Black, 23, was shot to death on July 17, 1998, after police say he attempted to rob a campus credit union. Police said Black, of Evanston, threw a chunk of concrete at a Cincinnati police officer, then advanced on him with a nail-studded board after fleeing the Tangeman University Center in Clifton. An officer fired
two shots, hitting Black twice in the torso. The officer suffered a minor arm injury where he was struck by the concrete, police said.
An administrative hearing cleared the officer.

Jermaine Lowe. On June 3, 1998, Cincinnati police in Over-the-Rhine tried to pull over a stolen car being driven by Lowe, who suddenly sped away. Chased by police, Lowe crashed into another car in Corryville, then leaned out the car window and began shooting at three officers. The officers shot back, killing Lowe. The 21-year-old Mount Auburn man already had served nearly five years in prison for robbery, had broken parole and was being sought for a recent armed robbery.
The officers were cleared in an administrative hearing.

Daniel Williams. On Feb. 2, 1998, Williams, 41, who had a history of criminal and mental problems, flagged down a police cruiser being driven on Central Parkway by a 23-year-old female officer. Williams pulled a .357-caliber Magnum and shot the officer four times in the leg and abdomen below her bulletproof vest, then shoved her to the passenger side, got behind the wheel and sped away. Though wounded, the officer was able to pull her gun and kill Williams.
The officer was exonerated in an administrative hearing.

Lorenzo Collins. Collins was gunned down on Feb. 23, 1997, after threatening several officers, including a Cincinnati police officer and a University of Cincinnati officer who both fired at him, with a brick. He had just escaped from University Hospital's eighth-floor psychiatric ward, where he was being held at the request of a suburban police department. After
reviewing statements by 17 witnesses, Cincinnati's Office of Municipal Investigation determined that the officers should not be disciplined. Collins' family, however, eventually received $200,000 from the city of
Cincinnati to settle a suit in U.S. District Court.

Darryl C. Price. The 42-year-old Corryville man died on April 4, 1996, after striking his head while struggling with officers.
Police had been called to investigate a ''violent mental subject'' after a passersby reported a man was screaming and running in and out of traffic. When officers arrived, they found Price jumping on the hood of a car at Martin Luther King and Eden Avenue. As officers tried to handcuff him, he resisted. Officers then wrestled Price to the ground and handcuffed him. But as they tumbled to the ground, Price struck his head on a metal
plate covering road construction, police said.
The officers' actions were upheld in an administrative hearing.

Harvey Price. A 34-year-old ex-convict from Avondale, Price was shot five times after he lunged with a knife at officers who had tried repeatedly to subdue him after he killed and partially decapitated his girlfriend's 15-year-old daughter with an ax. An autopsy later determined that Price had taken cocaine within 12 hours of the Feb. 1, 1995, incident.
The officers were exonerated in an administrative hearing.
 
Nobody really cares about whites or latino's being killed, When a white guy gets shot, he is quickly forgotton, when a black guy gets shot, there are riots and protest rallies.

All of those deaths were justified, good post weaponX, for once I wish someone would put themselves in the shoes of the police officer. Everyone always assumes every police killing is racially motivated, but if a black officer pulls the trigger, it was just a freak accident, that was the case on Halloween last year when that black actor was killed by a black police officer, nobody protested or rioted, it was just considered an accident.
 
NATYMIKE, You are so wrong because when a whiteman gets shot it will be INVESTIGATED QUICKLY AND THEY WILL FIND SOMEONE TO BLAME JUST TO CALM THE PUBLICS THIRST FOR JUSTICE! You say we always riot and cry racial stuff but if a pattern is developing with a certain officer then it needs to be addressed and QUICKLY! Imagine I am in my home and the door gets kicked in and no announcement about police or anything? I have many weapons and I shoot a cop or two who DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT ADDRESS AND WENT ABOUT SERVING THE WARRANT BY NOT FOLLOWING POLICY?? They would have me strung up but I was just in fear of getting killed. I know several good police officers who are open minded and do not make narrow minded assumptions about people but when one cop does something REALLY WRONG all the good the rest have done is forgotten and that is ashamed. NATYMIKE could you or would you ever become a cop?? BASED on what I have seen you say on here I wonder if you could stay unbiased and start arresting all people who have on fubu or who drive cadillacs ?? You seem intelligent but I wonder about some of your views but at the same time I have not shared your life experiences so I have to read into your experiences and take them as you call them.
 
BigPhysicsBastard said:
If that kid in cincinnatti would have just layed down and accepted responsibilty for his actions, like a man, than he would still be alive today.......and would probably be serving community service for his traffic offenses......that is truly sad.

Amen.
 
RIZZO said:
NATYMIKE, You are so wrong because when a whiteman gets shot it will be INVESTIGATED QUICKLY AND THEY WILL FIND SOMEONE TO BLAME JUST TO CALM THE PUBLICS THIRST FOR JUSTICE! You say we always riot and cry racial stuff but if a pattern is developing with a certain officer then it needs to be addressed and QUICKLY! Imagine I am in my home and the door gets kicked in and no announcement about police or anything? I have many weapons and I shoot a cop or two who DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT ADDRESS AND WENT ABOUT SERVING THE WARRANT BY NOT FOLLOWING POLICY?? They would have me strung up but I was just in fear of getting killed.

This has nothing to do with race, a situation like this affects all everyone. In fact, it happened to a hispanic man 5 months ago. A Hispanic police officer was the first Austin Police officer to die in the line of duty in 15 years or something like that. The drug team was trying to break down a hispanicmans door late at night, he was awakened and went for his gun, he just shot at the door and killed officer Ruiz because he thought he was getting robbed. The officers say they were announcing who they were, but who knows. He is currently awaiting trial on murder charges, he's facing the death penalty, no bond was set.

I think something like 30,000 officers from all over the state attended the funeral, I guess there would of been 40,000 had be been white right?

And I don't buy the whole "investigated quickly" thing about a white guy getting shot. All investigations take the same amount of time, its not like they are going to put aside other assignments to solve the white case.

Did you se anything wrong with the Cincinatti thugs looting all the stores of innocent shop owners. Most of them looked like teenagers. I believe Jesse Jackson said that he did not agree with the violence, but it "just shows that these people are fed up" That statement pissed me off because he was attempting to justify a bunch of teenagers on a rampage.

Your failing to see that there are thousands and thousands of minorities involved in police work and investigations. You don't think they would say something? The only people bitching about these situations are the ones that know nothing about police work, and nothing about the case. You don't see all the black police officers protesting because they know how it is.

Just like the black principle they interviewed a couple weeks ago who said that discrimination in schools is complete BS. This was in response to the rate of suspensions for whites/blacks. He was enraged that people can assume something like that when I have no idea how it really is, but they still jump to a conclusion.
 
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