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help4john
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Here is the link to your original thread: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380964
The answer is no.
The answer is no.
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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He needs PCT even after one week of the cycle
On a cycle that short you most likely wont have exprienced much atrophy, so HCG is not hugely important in my opinion. However if you feel the need, you could run hcg for 2-3 weeks, every 6 days or so, 3000IU, then 1500 from then on. Make sure to combine this with clomid or nolva....nolva is best....and run the nolva about 2-3 weeks past cesation of HCG. Anyone with another take on this please feel free to jump in
Bruce
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homey if you look a couple posts up you'll see that i stated im still on win deca, I'm still running deca 600 a week, and win 50 ed, unless my ass hurts too much i'll take a day off the win, this will continue for 6 more weeks. hope this clears up my cycle. thanks buddyRuckstaR said:
Catch Wrestler
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Guys guys,there is a lot of misinformation on this thread.Firstly,why are you starting with a low dose and then working up to maximum.This is severly flawed.You need to start with your highest dose and then taper down in the preceeding weeks.This is known as front loading.To get the best effects of a cycle,you need to get your blood levels up really high,really quick,then taper down.That way,you don't have to worry about the stuff "only just kicking in." Also,you can end the maximum androgen phase of a cycle after four weeks,and then switch to an absolute anabolic phase.This way,your body won't have chance to start a cortisol/estrogen response to the high androgens to maintain homeostasis.Also,by switching to an absolute anabolic phase,you can keep most of the gains made during the first phase.
Secondly,nolva. will not get your endogenus test. going at all,this is why clomid is far better than nolva.The only time you should use nolva is if you feel any sides coming on like sore nipples etc.,and only during hcg use.The reasons being are that nolva. minimizes the amount of igf-1 release by the liver,from deactivation of 17aas.This is something you definatly don't won't.Also,you need to use it during hcg use to minimise the desensetization of the hcg by the body.
One more thing,why in the hell are you injecting winny in your arse(yeah i'm British!!)??Winny should either be drank,or injected into a muscle.Because it is a water based steroid,you'll get a better localised growth effect.This is also true of any steroid that is esterless.
Secondly,nolva. will not get your endogenus test. going at all,this is why clomid is far better than nolva.The only time you should use nolva is if you feel any sides coming on like sore nipples etc.,and only during hcg use.The reasons being are that nolva. minimizes the amount of igf-1 release by the liver,from deactivation of 17aas.This is something you definatly don't won't.Also,you need to use it during hcg use to minimise the desensetization of the hcg by the body.
One more thing,why in the hell are you injecting winny in your arse(yeah i'm British!!)??Winny should either be drank,or injected into a muscle.Because it is a water based steroid,you'll get a better localised growth effect.This is also true of any steroid that is esterless.
Bruce, I highly reccomend you ignore most of what was just posted, catch is wayyy off base.
Catch, you are going to get flamed for the nolva comment i'm sure, that is a very outdated and continually disproven theory to state that nolva will not help to bring natural test back to par, and is only for gyno. I'm not even going to bother posting articles. Ummmm what else, oh yes.....WTF kind of ass do YOU have that contains no muscles???? No offence, but please refrain form advice if you don't know your stuff.
Catch, you are going to get flamed for the nolva comment i'm sure, that is a very outdated and continually disproven theory to state that nolva will not help to bring natural test back to par, and is only for gyno. I'm not even going to bother posting articles. Ummmm what else, oh yes.....WTF kind of ass do YOU have that contains no muscles???? No offence, but please refrain form advice if you don't know your stuff.
Goldprospector
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You are not going to end up impotent bro...If you can't find what you need for PCT, the go with "Post Cycle" from Protien Factory...It will work better than nothing at all. I use it and Tribulas in all of my PCT's...But I also use HCG and Nolva first...
And as Ruckstar already said...ignore what Catch said in his post!
Catch Wrestler
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Ruckstar,you don't know what your talking about.As it happens I do know my stuff,that's why I tried to save the guy from the misinformation.Firstly,nolva. only stops estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptor.It doesn't even stop it at it's root as clomid does,and it certainly doesn't kick in your endogenus testosterone.I didn't say that it is only for gyno,but that it doesn't bring your natural test back up.What about what I said about nolva. interfering with igf-1 release in the liver.I suppose you think that's wrong too.If you do,then you haven't got a clue what your talking about to say the least.
As for the arse,yes it is a muscle,but you don't want to over develop your arse do you(then again maybe you do).The point I was making(which obviously went waaaaay over your head!!!!!) was that by injecting a water based or esterless steroid into a muscle that you want to develop(and one you train),like umm... chest,delts,back,arms or legs etc.,then inject it there.That way you get a localised growth effect.So injecting the said steroids in the arse is just a waste of more growth that you could have.Would you do an SEO injection in your butt?? I don't think so.So get it right lad.
Also,why ignore what I've wrote?? Obviously because it doesn't agree with what you've wrote.What's the matter,don't like someone not having the same opinion as yours.Is that what it is??Seems like to me bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for the arse,yes it is a muscle,but you don't want to over develop your arse do you(then again maybe you do).The point I was making(which obviously went waaaaay over your head!!!!!) was that by injecting a water based or esterless steroid into a muscle that you want to develop(and one you train),like umm... chest,delts,back,arms or legs etc.,then inject it there.That way you get a localised growth effect.So injecting the said steroids in the arse is just a waste of more growth that you could have.Would you do an SEO injection in your butt?? I don't think so.So get it right lad.
Also,why ignore what I've wrote?? Obviously because it doesn't agree with what you've wrote.What's the matter,don't like someone not having the same opinion as yours.Is that what it is??Seems like to me bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Sighs* Tamoxifen has been proven to have a positive effect on natural test producion as it seems to increase the responsiveness of LH (luteinizing hormone) to GnRH (gonadtropin releasing hormone), whereas clomid seems to decrease the responsiveness a bit. This was set out by:
Vermeulen A., Comhaire F., Hormonal effects of an anti-estrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men, Fertil. Ster. 29 (1978) 320-27
Consider also that Nolvadex appears to act as a more potent estrogen in one's liver, increases levels of negative cholesterol in the body and thus results in a more desireable lipid profile in the body.
Bruning PF, Bronfer JMG, Hart AAM, Jong-Bakker M, tamoxifen, serum lipoproteins and cardiovascular risk, Br. J. Cancer 1988 Oct, 58 (4) 497-9
And finally nolvadex is best (as if a good lipid profile, a more direct and positive impact on natural test, and a potency of 3-4 times that of clomid is not enough for you) due to the fact that clomid results in annoying things like increased acne due to a 4x dose, and irreversible things like changes in one's eyesight.
Where are YOUR sources for info....your clomid source???
Oh, and the localized growth effect is so incredibly minimal it can almost entirely be acounted for by an inceased in muscle "pump" due to the shot.....
Vermeulen A., Comhaire F., Hormonal effects of an anti-estrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men, Fertil. Ster. 29 (1978) 320-27
Consider also that Nolvadex appears to act as a more potent estrogen in one's liver, increases levels of negative cholesterol in the body and thus results in a more desireable lipid profile in the body.
Bruning PF, Bronfer JMG, Hart AAM, Jong-Bakker M, tamoxifen, serum lipoproteins and cardiovascular risk, Br. J. Cancer 1988 Oct, 58 (4) 497-9
And finally nolvadex is best (as if a good lipid profile, a more direct and positive impact on natural test, and a potency of 3-4 times that of clomid is not enough for you) due to the fact that clomid results in annoying things like increased acne due to a 4x dose, and irreversible things like changes in one's eyesight.
Where are YOUR sources for info....your clomid source???
Oh, and the localized growth effect is so incredibly minimal it can almost entirely be acounted for by an inceased in muscle "pump" due to the shot.....
Catch Wrestler
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Where do I get my information from about clomid increasing endo. test production?? From Chemical Muscle Enhancement(amongst other places).Also from Building The Perfect Beast,and hundreds of steroid articles that I've read over the last eighteen years of steroid research.As for the localised growth effect being minimal is laughable at best.How in the hell do you account for the incredible gains seen from SEO employment??
In any case,whether or not nolva. does increase endo. test production,it's still not a good idea to use it,because of the reason I mentioned above,which is that it inhibits igf-1 release,also GH release.This is a fact.
In any case,whether or not nolva. does increase endo. test production,it's still not a good idea to use it,because of the reason I mentioned above,which is that it inhibits igf-1 release,also GH release.This is a fact.
Catch Wrestler
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Maybe he has had his question anwered,but it doesn't change the fact that what I've posted are facts.Although i will concur that your right about nolva. increasing endo. test production.I got that bit wrong,but it's still not good to use it for the reasons mentioned above.This is why you don't want to keep the debate going,'cos you know you can't prove that I'm wrong on that one!!!!! Or about site injections.
Bruce
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you don't know a thing obviously, the glute is a muscle in your arse, this has the most cirulation and if you ask anyone is the most effective place to inject. Spot injecting is a theory not a fact, let the pimps like Ruckstar give advice, then go try a cycle and maybe you might no your shit, clomid can cause tumors and has been found to raise estrogen levels.Catch Wrestler said:
Catch Wrestler
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Oh I know nothing eh??That's strange considering I've been studying steroids for the past eighteen years,starting out at a body weight of 135lbs and now weighing in at 275,all from acquiring knowledge and putting it into practise busting my butt in the gym for years on end,and yet you wreckon I know nothing.You guys make me laugh.
Hey Brucie,if you want to ignore my advice and end up with mediocre gains,then suit yourself.I was only trying to help you,but you can get fucked now.I can see that 'cos i'm new here,your just sticking together,and aren't open minded enough to take on board what someone else has to say.As for clomid increasing estrogen,I think you mean nolva.It's nolva. that does that.Think I'm wrong??Just go and check out CME and you'll see it right there under "Nolvadex." Site injection is just a theory and not a fact eh??Well according to you guys,Author L. Rea must also be wrong as well,Pleeeeaaase!!!!!!!As for injecting in the butt,I'm not saying that you shouldn't inject there,but with certain steroids,your better off injecting into a muscle(you know,the ones you train).You guys are just dumb fuck wits!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I suggest you read CME and BTPB,then you'll realise that I was right along!!!
Hey Brucie,if you want to ignore my advice and end up with mediocre gains,then suit yourself.I was only trying to help you,but you can get fucked now.I can see that 'cos i'm new here,your just sticking together,and aren't open minded enough to take on board what someone else has to say.As for clomid increasing estrogen,I think you mean nolva.It's nolva. that does that.Think I'm wrong??Just go and check out CME and you'll see it right there under "Nolvadex." Site injection is just a theory and not a fact eh??Well according to you guys,Author L. Rea must also be wrong as well,Pleeeeaaase!!!!!!!As for injecting in the butt,I'm not saying that you shouldn't inject there,but with certain steroids,your better off injecting into a muscle(you know,the ones you train).You guys are just dumb fuck wits!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I suggest you read CME and BTPB,then you'll realise that I was right along!!!
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