i heard that most trib. products are extremely underdosed in furostanol saponins...the compound that makes it work. i also read that you need 500-1,000 mg. of the actual saponins to see any real results from them. i contacted optimum nutrition to find out how many caps it would take to reach this level of dosage. they told me it would take a full 4-8 caps...while on their own label, it recommends just 1-2 caps per day. My conclusion...if you want real results from prob any trib. product, you'd have to go WAY beyond the manufacturer's recommended dosage. I'd recommend that everyone using trib. contact the maker of the brand they have and find out how potent each cap is or isn't.