definately a harder look and actually a little leaner however i stay pretty lean all year. But it may not be the tren due to i was only injecting every 4th day. Running 6iu of serostim and primo 250 and ttokkyo winny tabs. But had a few people say i was looking bigger and leaner this last week and i added the tren about 2.5 weeks ago so. I will try to post if anything changes when i go to every other day shots. Thanks again