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Tux
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Yes they're all oils, you can mix them in the same shot. If it's 3cc's in volume, personally I'd stick to glutes or quads but some guys like delts too. People are saying that they don't like to mix deca and tren in the same cycle because of progesterone issues, it's got nothing to do with whether or not the actual oils themselves will mix in the syringe. I've done deca/tren just fine, if you have no problems with it then go ahead, they're fine to mix.
Bigdogmikey
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tren and deca use the same receptor cell
Tux
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Bigdogmikey, dude that's total crap. Technically you're right, there's only one androgen receptor, but to say that they'll somehow block each other from working is ludicrous. I've taken both at the same time and they both worked just as well as separately. Show me ANY proof at all that they won't work together and I'll admit you've got a point, but you won't find any.
Fukkenshredded
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Well, trenbelone and deca have the same parent molecule (nandrolone).
Tux
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Shredded, every SINGLE AAS has the same parent molecule, testosterone. Test converts to DHT, winny is derived from DHT, so is masteron. Deca is 19-nortestosterone, almost exact structure of testosterone. They all bind to the same androgen receptor and all work by increasing protein synthesis. Some have other activities beneficial to muscle growth than others, and some don't aromatize, etc, but all are derived in some way from testosterone. So of course they use the same receptor, but that in no way means they won't still both work.
Fukkenshredded
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Not quite.
Nandrolone is similar to testosterone, but is actually a progestin. It is derived from progesterone, as is trenbelone.
The term 'nor' in chemical nomenclature means, roughly, the displacement of a CH, CH2, or CH3 on a molecular framework, and in the case of nor-testosterone, it is the removal of a CH3 from C10, and that being replaced by a hydrogen.
So both deca and tren are derived from nandrolone, which is derived from progesterone (hence the term 'progestin').
Trenbolone (17beta-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one)
'Tren' is short for 'tri-en', which is a reference to the additional double carbon bonds at positions 9 and 11.
In fact, it is the presence of the delta-9 group that prevents aromatization, since the body does not remove the group metabolically (tren does not undergo a 5-alpha reduction in humans, a supposition supported by the fact that urinary metabolites contain the intact delta-4 molecular structure).
Nandrolone itself binds strongly to the androgen receptor, but the delta 9,11 bonds enhance that proclivity even further.
Nandrolone and all of its derivitaves exhibit strong binding capacity to the progesterone receptor, but tren also exhibits a capacity to bind to the progesterone receptors even more so than progesterone itself, and to the progestin receptor more so than nandrolone.
In any event, it is quite clear that trenbelone is a derivative of nandrolone, which is a derivative of progesterone, rather than testosterone.
Nandrolone is similar to testosterone, but is actually a progestin. It is derived from progesterone, as is trenbelone.
The term 'nor' in chemical nomenclature means, roughly, the displacement of a CH, CH2, or CH3 on a molecular framework, and in the case of nor-testosterone, it is the removal of a CH3 from C10, and that being replaced by a hydrogen.
So both deca and tren are derived from nandrolone, which is derived from progesterone (hence the term 'progestin').
Trenbolone (17beta-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one)
'Tren' is short for 'tri-en', which is a reference to the additional double carbon bonds at positions 9 and 11.
In fact, it is the presence of the delta-9 group that prevents aromatization, since the body does not remove the group metabolically (tren does not undergo a 5-alpha reduction in humans, a supposition supported by the fact that urinary metabolites contain the intact delta-4 molecular structure).
Nandrolone itself binds strongly to the androgen receptor, but the delta 9,11 bonds enhance that proclivity even further.
Nandrolone and all of its derivitaves exhibit strong binding capacity to the progesterone receptor, but tren also exhibits a capacity to bind to the progesterone receptors even more so than progesterone itself, and to the progestin receptor more so than nandrolone.
In any event, it is quite clear that trenbelone is a derivative of nandrolone, which is a derivative of progesterone, rather than testosterone.
Tux
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My bad, i re-researched and found my error. You're right you smart bastard lol. Most gear is derived from test in some way, but men do actually produce a tiny amount of progesterone naturally from the adrenal gland. Estrogen we get when test aromatizes, DHT too, and epi-test produced alongside regular test, but progesterone is actually a separate hormone. I totally forgot that one, good looking out bro! I learn something new every day here 
It's just odd to think that female hormone derivates can be beneficial to building muscle lol.
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