Tren users... question about concentration/sleep deprivation...

[Dr. M]

Bros -

I've heard a lot of things about insomnia and loss of concentration when using Trenbolone Acetate... I'm just wondering if some of you guys who have used tren could fill me in with your personal experiences when it comes to doses around 50-75 mg ED or 100-150mg EOD.

I'm thinking about tossing in some tren with an upcoming cycle a little ways down the road, and I'm just wanting to make sure that it's not going to make me unable to concentrate or sleep (two things very important for me with my current employment).

Thanks to any and all for your input... but I ask (respectfully, of course) that only bros who have ACTUALLY used tren would share their experience. The reason I'm coming right out and asking is because I see a lot of hearsay, but not many people actually sit here and say "my experience has been..." or "I'm running tren right now, and..."

Regards,
-M

 

[calveless wonder]

I ran 100mg's EOD for 6 weeks.... Concentration was fine however i did have trouble sleeping sometimes. Not really trouble sleeping as much as waking up randomly in the middle of the night. Also felt really tired alot of the time but that's only if you're not active ( I worked at a mortgage bank so if i sat at my desk too long i'd fall asleep). One thing that did alleviate this was sleeping in a VERY comfortable bed and in a room with almost no distractions(TV, lights etc(. Also make sure the room you sleep in is cool otherwise you may wake up from nightsweats.

IMO tren sides are greatly exxagerated. The only thing i noticed was aggression and waking up randomly in the middle of the night. good luck doc

 

[gimp]

I have alot of difficulty sleeping when on any dose of tren. I feel my concentration is worse the less I sleep. I get irritable and moody...nothing abnormal or that I can't handle, it's more of an annoyance than anything else. In my opinion, I feel better on ED injects, seems to stabilize some of the sides. I sweat like a pig on tren...especially at night, my pillow gets wet and damp, forcing me to change my pillow case and somtimes my sheets.

 

[atutt2]

Ditto on the other replys....night sweats the biggest problem, even worse when stacked with clen. I'm doing 75mg EOD but thinking about hitting it at 50mg ED for the last 3 weeks of my cycle. Another note, you'll have some crazy vivid dreams and finatude will hit you early....a simple fly buzzing in your ear will make you turn from Bill Bixby to Lou Ferrigno!!!

 

[Ulter]

P seven will help a lot with Tren not allowing you to sleep and the increase in aggression. That was actually the inspiration for it.

SHOOT ED NOT EOD if you want even blood levels. Tren ace is in and out very quickly and you'll rollercoaster your blood levels if you don't shoot daily. Ideally the same time every day.

You'll will absolutely love what tren does to your body. When you're done you'll wonder why you never tried it before.

 

[ViperHMS]

I'm on 80mg ED right now and have a little bit of increased agression. As far as sleep goes its hard to tell because i work 3 days a week from 4am-4pm so for 3 days i'm extremely tired when i get home and have no problems sleeping. On my off days i'm still getting up a little later at around 4am and i go to the gym and about 10am i take a nap til 2 and get back up til about 10pm and then go back to bed. So as of now no problems sleeping. I did almost 8 weeks orally a few months ago and I do remember having terrible insomnia at that time. I don't remember when it started so it may be a delayed problem. Bump for more replies.

Viper

 

[jasonstrong]

Tren experience HERE...

Tren is very very powerful most people *over use* it.
50 mg ED is fine, 350 mgs a week is more than enough to get great results of tren especially when it's used in a stack of other stuff.

I have done tren on and off for many years now and more does not equal better.

I have in the past gone up to 1 gram a week for a couple of weeks (only 2 times) and the sides were intolerable.

I would say the maximum dose *for me* through experimentation is 5-600 mgs a week and I weigh approx 293....

Tren was originally available as Finaject in 30mg/30 ml vials so average doses-high end were about 600 mgs a week.

Negative Side Effects of Tren:
Increased Blood Pressure
Sweating-especially at night
Increased body temperature
Increased Heart Rate
Loss of appetite
Fatigue/Lethargy
Headaches
Aggression-both good and bad
Moodiness
Insomnia
*for some*progesterone induced gyno
*for some*coughing fits-rush n flush-w/"kitted" tren inject

Positive Side Effects of Tren
Increased strength
Increased aggression
Accelerated Fat Burning
Lean Muscle Gains
*for some* Increased vascularity/reduced water retention
*for some* massive weight gains 10-20 lbs

Although the negatives seem to outweigh the positives, most can be controlled or handled with dosing.
More is not better when it comes to tren dosing.
Experiment and find out what works for you individually.
Start out low on the dosing-like you planned-and for even blood levels pop everyday.

The insomnia and night sweats are the most prevalent sides that are bothersome to me even on mild doses of tren.

Never noticed loss of concentration. Those reporting that side may be distracted by the moodiness or aggression caused by tren.

Good preventative measures for toxicity when on tren are for me:
Northland Cranberry Juice
Extra 1 liter of water a day
Occasionally I will grind or squeeze fresh cranberries for a more potent extract and reduced sugar intake of juices.

To help keep appetite up and reduce the lethargy and fatigue:

A full round of supplements vitamins and multi-minerals with extra Vit C, B-Complex, Vit E, etc.

A good liver protection detoxifier combo helps keep the appetite up and fatigue down:

For me it's:
Milk Thistle 6 caps 2 x a day
Liv-52 8 tabs a day 4 x 2
ALA 3 caps 2 x a day
Picroliv 6 caps 3 2 x a day

Other good liver supp's with honorable mention are :
Tyler's Liver Detox
Glucorell

Also, I take Physician Prescribed BP meds Norvasc and Altace, and if it gets really really high a beta blocker such as toprol.

Insomnia is very very common with tren.

I have tried to combat it with melatonin 5 HTP Tryptophane KAVA KAVA etc.

No supplements seem to help for very long:
The only thing that helps me is Ambien 10 mg and or Sominex 50 mg or 1-2 Benadryls.

 

[Dr. M]

Thanks for the wicked info bros! Nice to have something right from the bros who use it most, instead of "I hear...".

Thanks again!
-M

 

[thx9000]

I JUST finished 75mg ED for the last 4.5wk of my CYP cycle. I had no problems with concentration. Did have some initial sleep problems, but nothing terrible. Basically, I would sleep soundly for the first 4hr after going to bed then would toss-and-turn and wake up for 5min at a time every 1.5hr after that. This all abated after a week.

 

[thx9000]

BTW....

I also noticed some night sweats. None of these sides (sleep problems or sweating) were as bad as those that I ran into with 600mg EQ/wk with 500mg test/wk.

I also, today, got back my blood work. Liver, Kidneys, etc look virtually identical to the tests I had done at mid-cycle when I was on Var/CYP (37.5mg/dy 400-500mg/wk) and were the same as my pre-cycle levels. My Lipids did get a little worse on tren, though. HDL stayed the same at a very poor 26, LDL went up from 136 to 143 Total chol stayed the same at 190, Trigs stayed the same at around 100. My pre-cycle HDL/LDL/Tot/Trigs were 65/123/189/95 for reference. C-reactive protein was same pre, mid and end of cycle at less than .5.

 

[satchboogie]

i ran fina at 100mg eod and within 3-4 days i started to lose sleep.

i'd sleep for 5 hours and wake up feeling tired as fuck.
that went on for one week before i realized i must cut fina out.

i stopped it and within 3-4 days i was sleeping my usual 8-10 hours.

 

[drveejay11]

Jason: great post

 

[bigkevin20]

Im on tren now 100 mg eod and it is harder to sleep I can not make it threw the night with out waking up.
I take benadryl and that solves it.

 

[juiceheadnyc]

I ran Tren 50mg/eod, and Winny 50/eod for around 4 moths..

Didnt have much of a prob, only like stated above i would sweat a little at night, wake up a couple of times, and maybe a nightmare here and there..

Other then that, the only other side was getting ripped the fuuuk up....

I dont know if u need that kind of dosing if its ur first time taking it.

I got great results at 50mg/eod...

 

[satchboogie]

my sleep is criticaly, and anything that inteferes with it must die!

fina no more!!

 

[AtLarge]

Yo, i love tren but it does have its sides. No doubt that ed has its benefits but not if you feel like crap. So what i would do is go back and forth between ed and eod and with the amt of mg/dose. I would run 100-150mg/d then when the sides became too much i would drop the dose to 75mg eod for a week and then back up as i could. Yeah i know this is a crazy program but i felt i got the best of both programs w/o suffering from to many of the sides. I never lost stride as i kept the test levels stable.

 

[Dr. M]

Thanks to all the bros who've posted... keep the good info coming!

-M