Tren or Deca

[tprop]

I've had great past success with basic Test, Tren, Dbol cycles. I've been considering replacing the Tren with Deca to cut back on the amount of androgens and possible long term side effects that might occur. Will my gain be less with a Test, Deca, Dbol cycle. Not just gains, but keepable gains. Thanks in advance for any imput.

 

[IronFist]

I don't think gains will be much less although strengh gains may be. I would use the tren instead of deca anyday and I think 95% of the guys on here will agree with me...

 

[Torch]

I would use the tren instead of deca anyday and I think 95% of the guys on here will agree with me...

no doubt about that bro!

 

[jc21]

actually i would choose deca over tren....i find i get good muscle gains from deca, where as fina gives great weight gains and stength gains. and yes there is a difference to me.

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

I'm in that 5% class that disagrees!

Deca is safer than Tren. Deca is the way to go.

Test, Deca, and D-bol is one of the best stacks ever! The deca will help you keep the gains longer also, because it stays in the system much longer than Trenbolone Acetate.

NN

 

[IronFist]

The deca will help you keep the gains longer also, because it stays in the system much longer than Trenbolone Acetate.

NN

That is not necessarily a good thing...The longer it stays in your system, the longer it takes for you to recover and during that time, you won't experience any added growth...

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

That is not necessarily a good thing...The longer it stays in your system, the longer it takes for you to recover and during that time, you won't experience any added growth...

That is a good point, but other than the liver toxicity issue, don't people take injectables over orals b/c gains are maintained longer from injectables. So, you're saying that oral only cycles would be the best for recovery, b/c orals are out of the system the quickest, and then one would be able to build more muscle b/w cycles this way.

I don't think that it matters, b/c with the correct after cycle therapy (Clomid), one will have his natural test level back and ready to go. Now, without the use of Clomid, it could make a difference.

NN

 

[IronFist]

That is a good point, but other than the liver toxicity issue, don't people take injectables over orals b/c gains are maintained longer from injectables. So, you're saying that oral only cycles would be the best for recovery, b/c orals are out of the system the quickest, and then one would be able to build more muscle b/w cycles this way.

I don't think that it matters, b/c with the correct after cycle therapy (Clomid), one will have his natural test level back and ready to go. Now, without the use of Clomid, it could make a difference.

NN

Not necessarily, I would say that anavar gains are as permanent if not more permanent than "most" injectables. Oral cycles are not better than injectable cycles, a mix would most definately be better. As far as recovery goes, you are better off with any fast acting ester whether it be test prop, esterless eq, dbol, anavar, winstrol, with fina being the exception...If I were to run deca, I would also use test prop (at the least) for about 3-4 weeks after the final administration of deca...

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

As far as recovery goes, you are better off with any fast acting ester whether it be test prop, esterless eq, dbol, anavar, winstrol, with fina being the exception...If I were to run deca, I would also use test prop (at the least) for about 3-4 weeks after the final administration of deca...

Nice comeback and some good comments. So, have you ever used Deca or are you simply stating what you believe to be the case? I've used it in four cycles and I've never had a problem with recovery and this was without Clomid for those particular 4 cycles. I will mention that I'm a firm believer in low doses and I only used 200 mg of Deca per week.

NN

 

[Ffactor]

I vote tren, I don't think safety is as big of an issue.