Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I was thinking why so many people say to throw in some t or dbol with tren. I came up with one good reason, its all about estrogen. Tren doesnt aromatize, while the others do providing your muscles with estrogen. Wait, doesnt estrogen cause your muscles to be less tense? I guess alot of the aches and pains people complain about when on a tren only regime can be accounted for no estrogen in the body. I dont know if the word 'tense' is a good word, but whatever the mechanism of action is, it does its job. What do you guys think?
tren only= no estrogen
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macrophage69alpha
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Tren alone is less likely to cause gyno, part of the negative side of tren are due to lack of oestrogenic conversion (suppression of natural product of substrate=low E), though they are also due to PR activity.
as a note- the dryness and joint issues are also due to PR antagonist effects.
as a note- the dryness and joint issues are also due to PR antagonist effects.
never heard of estrogen causing someone to be less tense. If that's true, my girl wouldn't be as tense and bitchy as she is all the time. 
Ur theory may or may not be true (I don't know), but I think another reason for adding something like dbol or test, etc which can aromatize or cause a little extra water retention is for the joints. Just a thought
Ur theory may or may not be true (I don't know), but I think another reason for adding something like dbol or test, etc which can aromatize or cause a little extra water retention is for the joints. Just a thought
tiggerizme
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I wouldnt' recommend frontloading tren at all. This is just my opinion. Tren is a very powerful AAS and it needs its respect where due. Some are extremely sensitive to Tren therefore u dont want to have to wait till those longer esters clear b4 the unwanted side effects subside ...
macrophage69alpha
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estrogen is the main "cuplrit" when it comes to "roid rage" mostly due to its effects on neurotransmitter levels and receptor expression.
macrophage69alpha
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mrp3652 said:
strong CNS activators (though rarely are they used alone).
strong CNS activation with oestrogenic influence= easily irritable
macrophage69alpha
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as a note- with trenbolone the antagonist PR activity also likes plays a role.
Its the andrgoens that make you aggressive. The estrogens make you unstable 
I read in an avant labs article about estrogens working on receptors in the muscle. From what I remember, it said that estrogens have muscle protective properties, (thats why I said less tense earlier). Its estrogen that make woman more flexable then men. Coming off a tren pct would be different imo because you dont have any estrogens to combat. Anybody coming off a tren only cycle, what was your pct like?
I read in an avant labs article about estrogens working on receptors in the muscle. From what I remember, it said that estrogens have muscle protective properties, (thats why I said less tense earlier). Its estrogen that make woman more flexable then men. Coming off a tren pct would be different imo because you dont have any estrogens to combat. Anybody coming off a tren only cycle, what was your pct like?
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