Well....I know this doesn't exactly answer your question but I'll add onto what Ulter said. I did a short 6 week cycle of tren at 100mg/day with a small amount of test (prop. at 250 a week) and I got great results. It was about a year and a half ago so I don't remember exact measurements but I was up roughly 15 lbs or so with noticeable drop in bf%. Great cycle if you ask me, I may do it again here shortly.