Tren For Cutting - Test or No Test?

[geoboy]

According to Bill Roberts, Tren only burns fat at an accelerated rate (like anavar) when not competeing with circulating estrogen as would be the case when stacking with test. (dont want to do the anti-e or anti-a thing - messes up my libido)


What has been your experience re cutting with tren, with test vs without test?

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[AhMadKooL]

I think without test you'll be shutdown (I'm not talking from experience here since i've never done tren before but i'm talking from knowledge).

 

[JohnnyWest]

I would definetley add test, with tren alone i felt lethargic and unmotivated all the time until i added test, also if you want a libido add some in.
ahmadkool, he will be shut down just as hard whether he runs test or not, the theory is if he runs the test longer then the tren the crash won't be as bad.

 

[wootool]

yes, but just to the effectiveness of tren for cutting, with test or without test -

 

[AhMadKooL]

I would definetley add test, with tren alone i felt lethargic and unmotivated all the time until i added test, also if you want a libido add some in.
ahmadkool, he will be shut down just as hard whether he runs test or not, the theory is if he runs the test longer then the tren the crash won't be as bad.

I guess Proviron/Cailis would help then with the libido issues

 

[bilter]

tren with test prop is a great cutter. I would not run tren w/o it.

 

[ur2insecure]

tren with test prop is a great cutter. I would not run tren w/o it.

I agree Prop and Tren is a great cutter, dont run tren without a test.

 

[anal itch]

Tren/Prop combo has synergetic effects. Do it and you'll be a cut beast, don't do it and you'll be a limp freak!

 

[geoboy]

what about Tren/Cyp or even Tren/Sust (either would be without anti-e / anti-a)
my pin cushion days are over

 

[Ulter]

How long ago did Bill Roberts write that? That's very out of touch. And he's pretty smart.

 

[badslinky]

yes, but just to the effectiveness of tren for cutting, with test or without test -

agree...

 

[geoboy]

How long ago did Bill Roberts write that? That's very out of touch. And he's pretty smart.

Its worse. I was relying on memory from awhile back, its actually from a BigCat profile on tren wherein he references Bill Roberts.

BC talks of the Tren/Estrogen connection re cutting and claims Roberts says no evidence of Tren reducing bodyfat .

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catfinaplix.htm

On the other hand trenbolone just as easily combines with stanozolol or methenolone for purposes of reducing body-fat. Bill Roberts recently claimed that trenbolone doesn't reduce body-fat and that nothing in the literature proves it does. But I beg to differ. Either Mr.Roberts isn't too bright or he doesn't know how to perform a medline search, since after a mere minute of searching I found a study1 that clearly documented the fat-loss aspects of trenbolone acetate. It clearly concluded (even said so in the abstract) that trenbolone does indeed reduce body-fat (as androgens do, we discuss this in our profile of Masteron), but only when not competing with circulating estrogen.

 

[thewanderer690]

you could always run you cycle with just tren and add some test for like the last few weeks of the cycle to give your libido a little bump

 

[ALIN]

According to Bill Roberts, Tren only burns fat at an accelerated rate (like anavar) when not competeing with circulating estrogen as would be the case when stacking with test. (dont want to do the anti-e or anti-a thing - messes up my libido)


What has been your experience re cutting with tren, with test vs without test?

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YES!!! I highly suggest using testosterone along with Tren anytime you use it.

 

[mr. snakes]

tren with test prop is a great cutter. I would not run tren w/o it.

Agrees ........................................................

 

[Pikaberdot]

Would never use tren without it.... even if it *DID* work to "cut you up more" than using it with test would it really be worth it? Being so cut up, and not being able to get it up does not seem like a fair trade off to me.

 

[Ulter]

Its worse. I was relying on memory from awhile back, its actually from a BigCat profile on tren wherein he references Bill Roberts.

BC talks of the Tren/Estrogen connection re cutting and claims Roberts says no evidence of Tren reducing bodyfat .

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catfinaplix.htm

On the other hand trenbolone just as easily combines with stanozolol or methenolone for purposes of reducing body-fat. Bill Roberts recently claimed that trenbolone doesn't reduce body-fat and that nothing in the literature proves it does. But I beg to differ. Either Mr.Roberts isn't too bright or he doesn't know how to perform a medline search, since after a mere minute of searching I found a study1 that clearly documented the fat-loss aspects of trenbolone acetate. It clearly concluded (even said so in the abstract) that trenbolone does indeed reduce body-fat (as androgens do, we discuss this in our profile of Masteron), but only when not competing with circulating estrogen.

Ah ok. Big Cat is wrong again. No big deal.
There is no study showing fat loss in humans with tren. ANYWHERE
In fact, there are no human studies of any kind with tren. It's for cattle.
I would have to read what Bill wrote. I'm sure that's why he said that. It's obvious to anyone who has ever used tren that it reduces fat.

 

[Wulfgar]

hit the test with it bro
TEstosterone is more likely to reduce fat stores than tren is anyways due to the dominance of testosterone in the body reducing female pattern fat deposits. too many benefits from test to leave it out of almost any cycle(with VERY few exceptions)

 

[boston789]

I used tren without test and still had my sex drive. I neevr really got any bad sides from tren other than the usual aggresiveness and nightsweats until about 2 months ago when my nipples started leaking. I've also ran it with test...I would suggest running it with test...even at a low-dose. I'd also run it with some winny cuz tren and winny work great together IMO.

 

[thewanderer690]

I used tren without test and still had my sex drive. I neevr really got any bad sides from tren other than the usual aggresiveness and nightsweats until about 2 months ago when my nipples started leaking. I've also ran it with test...I would suggest running it with test...even at a low-dose. I'd also run it with some winny cuz tren and winny work great together IMO.

lol i would consider nipple leakage a bad side

 

[csco23]

lol i would consider nipple leakage a bad side

Did Your nipples really leak...or am i just being gullible, im considering a tren/test cycle, and the idea of lactating like my friends new babys momma isnt exactly what I want to hear. Even though her tits look spectacular in clothing..

 

[wootool]

Did Your nipples really leak...or am i just being gullible, im considering a tren/test cycle, and the idea of lactating like my friends new babys momma isnt exactly what I want to hear. Even though her tits look spectacular in clothing..

You can use it on your cornflakes bro.

 

[Slyder190]

I use as the base every cycle as a rule of thumb. I'd especially not want to leave it out with Deca or Tren.