Tren Cough Article

[GeneticMutation]

Found this tidbit while surfing:

trenbolone cough
The so called 'trenbolone cough' or 'Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - cough' is well known amongst many trenbolone users. Some users seem to get the cough following every injection; others never or extremely rarely will get the cough. Usually it is manifested upon injection, with a tightness in the chest, and a metallic taste in the back of the mouth, followed by an uncontrollable violent cough which can be quite frightening, as anyone who has experienced it will tell you, whether it's for the first time or not. There have been some very elaborate theories about the reasons for getting the cough from trenbolone, some of which have had mechanisms involving molecules that only trenbolone affects resulting in bronchioconstriction, etc. However, the fact remains that many users have also experienced the same cough from steroids such as equipoise and testosterone cypionate. In addition, these mechanisms that are proposed are highly unlikely to occur immediately upon injection, as that is too fast a timescale for the proposed mechanism. Thus it must be the result of something entering the blood stream and traveling to the lungs for the cough to be manifested that quickly.

This leads us onto the next theory suggested by many which is that trenbolone is produced by many UGLs, and as such is made with higher percentages of Benzyl Alcohol (BA) than pharma grade products are, and it is the alcohol that is causing the reaction. The only problem with this theory is that trenbolone is made by most UGLs with the same BA percentages as things such as testosterone propionate, and nandrolone decanoate. If it was purely the BA concentration, than we would expect to see the cough with these other products as well, which we do not. Thus, as we have eliminated the oil, solvents and carriers, it leaves us with the Trenbolone product itself as the potential culprit.

One thing that you notice about trenbolone is that it is often a golden-brown / rust colour when in oil solution. If the hormone powder is refined to greater than 99.5% purity or so, then the colour of trenbolone in solution actually gives a very light golden colour, much like other testosterone products; however, refining the hormone to this level of purity is extremely difficult. This is why there is colour variation from batch to batch with different underground labs; something as small as 0.1% purity can affect the colour of the final product.

As mentioned above when discussing kidney effects of trenbolone, the oxidised trenbolone is a rust colour – much like the colour seen of trenbolone in oil solution. What you also notice with steroids such as Equipoise and to a lesser degree, testosterone cypionate, is that these steroids too are hard to very highly refine and often a browny-rust colour, more so than products such as testosterone propionate, etc. It is very likely then that these oxidised particles get into the blood stream upon injection and this causes some sort of anaphylactic (allergic) reaction in the lungs as the particles react with the alveoli, perhaps. This seems to be confirmed by the fact that the darker the trenbolone is the more likely one is to get a cough (personal and general experience). The best way to try and avoid this is to firstly inject very slowly and not move the needle around after aspirating, and also mixing the trenbolone with another product such as test testosterone propionate.

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-trenbolone.aspx

Interesting theories.

 

[GarrisX]

interesting

 

[hyp1]

"In addition, these mechanisms that are proposed are highly unlikely to occur immediately upon injection, as that is too fast a timescale for the proposed mechanism. Thus it must be the result of something entering the blood stream and traveling to the lungs for the cough to be manifested that quickly."

it's from hitting a fucking vein from not aspirating as everyone should do before each injection.......problem easily solved.hell I injected every day during my last trenbolone acetate cycle and never had that happen once.

 

[matty420]

awesome post bro

 

[DBBT]

awesome post bro

cool

 

[lostinfitness]

i think tren cough is caused by little tren dwarfs that like to piss us off!!!

 

[td1111]

Interesting. My trenbolone is a light yellow color, and I never cough from it. Perhaps it is more pure than average, according to the article?

 

[calveless wonder]

never had that problem and i ran tren with every cycle.

very individual thing

 

[perryscoon]

Does it feel like you have a hair stuck in the back of your throat that you can't get up? I was driving one day and it felt like I had something stuck in the back of my throat and I wanted to cough real bad but I held it in and the sensation went away. I hadn't just injected or anything. But i was still wondering.

Was this the beginning of a tren cough? I have never had any other cough issues while on tren, but i always inject in my gluts and make sure im not in a vein.

 

[navigatorrs]

"In addition, these mechanisms that are proposed are highly unlikely to occur immediately upon injection, as that is too fast a timescale for the proposed mechanism. Thus it must be the result of something entering the blood stream and traveling to the lungs for the cough to be manifested that quickly."

it's from hitting a fucking vein from not aspirating as everyone should do before each injection.......problem easily solved.hell I injected every day during my last trenbolone acetate cycle and never had that happen once.

Same here!! I just finished a 8 week tren a cycle ,injections every day and never had the cough once. I always aspirate

 

[st8grad]

Yeah, so far no cough. Homebrewed batch. I think it must be from entering the bloodstream through a vein.

 

[billdance]

Nice thread..

 

[GeneticMutation]

For myself, I seem to avoid the cough lately by not lubricating the needle with the tren prior to injection and jeaving the pin in there for a min or so. Just a tip a buddy of mine suggested, but god knows if it actually works or I've just been lucky

 

[Triple-G]

it's from hitting a fucking vein from not aspirating as everyone should do before each injection.......

yes and no. It happens with testosterone too, so yes, but no, it also happened in a study posted below when administered by professional nurses who i suppose do aspirate:

Hum Reprod. 1995 Apr;10(4):862-5.
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Tolerability of intramuscular injections of testosterone ester in oil vehicle.
Mackey MA, Conway AJ, Handelsman DJ.

Andrology Unit, Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Sydney NSW, Australia.

We undertook a prospective survey of the tolerability of deep i.m. injections of testosterone enanthate in a castor oil vehicle, the most widely used form of androgen replacement therapy. Over a period of 8 months, 26 men received 551 weekly injections into the gluteal, deltoid or thigh muscle and side-effects were recorded immediately and 1 week after each injection by the same nurse using a standardized questionnaire. Most injections caused no complaints [389/551, 70.6% (95% confidence interval 66.6-74.4%)] but minor local side-effects, mostly pain and bleeding, were common [162/551, 29.4% (25.6-33.4%)]; no serious side-effects were observed. Considering all side-effects, the gluteal site had fewer complaints and was less prone to bleeding but was painful more often than deltoid or thigh injection sites. The laterality of injection at any site had no significant effect on side-effects. The only systemic side-effect was episodes of sudden-onset, non-productive cough associated with faintness following eight injections [1.5% (0.6-2.9%)] which we speculate may have been due to pulmonary oil microembolism. We conclude that, when administered by an experienced nurse, deep i.m. injection of testosterone enanthate in a castor oil vehicle is generally safe and well tolerated but causes relatively frequent minor side-effects, including pain and bleeding. An improved depot form of testosterone would be highly desirable for androgen replacement therapy and hormonal male contraception.

and i do still think that trenbolone or any added chemical in some batches does cause a systemic release of prostaglandins which cause cramps in the lung. In 6 years i never got test cough but i frequently got tren cough while always using the same inj. method. interestingly, it got less intensive the more inj. i did in a row of several weeks. it seemed to me that the body gets used to it over time.

why i get sick from trenbolone is an entirely different question. i don't use it anymore, test is best anyway.

 

[jronimoe15]

Found this tidbit while surfing:



http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-trenbolone.aspx

Interesting theories.

are you saying mix the tren and test in the same syringe???

 

[Papa Lion]

are you saying mix the trenbolone and test in the same syringe???

yep!!! it's a great combo!!!

 

[jronimoe15]

yep!!! it's a great combo!!!

do you usually go with prop or e???

getting ready for my first run with tren........mine is definitely the rust color.............not the clearer batch!!