Tren bashing

[jeb0177]

My enzymes were ok with in the normal range, what came out high was the AST and ALt levels. tris. came out hight too. I was diagnost with the fatty liver through a CT scan with oral and IV contrast, I will go back on august to get another CT scan and they will decide if I need a biopsy, I felt really good actually and I starting partying socially and it made me feel a bit of pain in my liver area I just stoped drinking period and eating real clean almost no fat at all. I been training though I haven't stop ever since that happened, but the other thing they found it about it (FL) because I started feeling dizzy and strong head aches and when I went I had blood test done and they found out that I had a really big infection called the H. Pilory and I had to take almost 6g (PREV-PAC) of antibiotics a day besides of what I was taking. then when i went back everything was out of wack! fuck.... I want to start juicing again but I have to wait, I have test,dbo,gh kit 100ius, deca,cabaser and tren. I ordered some goodies that I didn't have in this 6 months so i'm ready I just have to wait for the other study.

i was taking

test
gh
multi-vitamin
b-12
flax seed caps
vitamin E
glutamine
finasteride
femara
nolvadex
accutane
PREV-PAC <antibiotic 6g/d for 2wk

what were the supps that you were on? did you also have elevated liver enzymes?

btw, fyi "fatty liver" is a diagnosis of exclusion unless you've actually had it confirmed with a liver biopsy.

 

[bigrand]

dont like the accutane in there
AST and ALT elevated enzymes are associated with liver damage and stress.

 

[ass_face]

dont like the accutane in there
AST and ALT elevated enzymes are associated with liver damage and stress.

Or... using your liver. I did a little experiment with my idiotic Doc. He was always concerned because my ALT and AST were a little elevated. After doing research on Pub Med I saw a few studies that show that strenuous weightlifting and protein consumption can mimic the signs of liver damage.

My Doc was concerned... I told him I planned on not training for 2 weeks and I was just going to live like an average humanoid during that time. No heavy protein etc... Took a blood test at the end of the 2 week period... and my enzymes were perfect. Very low.

A better indicator is Bilurubin and GGot. ALT and AST are a very poor indicator and doctors not used to dealing with strength trained individuals need to be educated before scheduling biopsies.

 

[bigrand]

Depends on the AST/ALT values. Even though these are elevated in myocardial infarction and muscle disorders, its usually at a lower level. Liver cells are lysed and ALT mainly is released into plasma in high levels, usually easy to tell. ALT is a better indicator because the liver is already rich in AST and cell lysis is what drives ALT up.
There can be other causes of increased serum billirubin, it manifests itself becasue lack of hepatic conjugation and excretion of billirubin......massive RBC lysis can cause this.

Keep an eye on ALT, if its quite high (dont know the #s you would look for offhand), its probly the accutane.

BTW, the H.Pylori infection you had, its an Ulcer!

 

[ryan04]

Yeah, tren/test is a badass combo. I did it for my last one and didn't gain all that much weight, but looked totally different. That stuff completely changes your body composition. The only thing was that I get really bloated off of test (put on 10 lbs first week off of 500 mgs sust) and didn't run any anti-e's so I didn't fully notice the effects until after a few weeks off my cycle. As soon as that water went away, god damn. That shit turns me into a wackjob though, moody and extremely prone to going off on just about anyone for anything. I walked around with that "look at me wrong and I'll kill you" look in my eye for 10 wks.

 

[trenfan2]

Yep..I'm on test/tren and deca....I havent gained one pound and I'm starting to get alot of "are you on steriods ?" accusations.

same for me. I'm at a point in my life where I can't really gain much more weight and maintain it throughout the year, but with tren I still see nice improvements in size, vascularity, and oh my! the strength gains for me are big. Too bad they don't all last but they don't all go away either. I've had nothing more than night sweats to complain about, and that's hardly worth complaining about compared to the trademark sides of some other widely used compounds.

 

[bigrand]

Also, if you mean GOT (glutamate oxaloacetate transaminase), its the same as AST and not as good an indicator as ALT (also called GPT).

I cant wait to jump on this tren enth at 400mg a week 10 weeks. Ive done it transdermally, but this will be the real deal

 

[jeb0177]

Keep an eye on ALT, if its quite high (dont know the #s you would look for offhand), its probly the accutane.

BTW, the H.Pylori infection you had, its an Ulcer!

yep it causes ulcers, I didn't have any signs of ulcers though since I went to get a overall blood test that's how they found out, they did an endoscopy and they didn't find nothing of ulcers but the good thing is that they found out about my liver being fatty. maybe it was a sign to stop taking too much shit huh? I will stick just to test, tren and gh. take my cabaser & femara my hcg shots and that's it! and of course my pct ancies.

 

[little chris]

Im normally like that mate, check my posts. I always say that people react different to different compounds, but that drug worries me for some reason, not sure why though.

Mick

I'm with you bro, I've done halo in the past which is considered pretty nasty but tren flat out scares the shit out of me. What scares me the most is the libido crash. I've taken deca iin the past and after experiencing deca dick, i never wanna go through that again.

You wanna get cut up like a razor. Train hard, diet right, and try a
test prop/tbol/masteron/proviron combo. thats next years cutter for me.

 

[LVTitan]

Yep..I'm on test/tren and deca....I havent gained one pound and I'm starting to get alot of "are you on steriods ?" accusations.

bro i know exactly what you are saying. i've been on eq/deca for a while now, and my weight still fluctuates up and down a few pounds each week, but all in all, i've put on less than 4-5 lbs yet somehow everyone keeps telling me how much bigger i've gotten (and of course how fucking red i am, i must be in the sun ) and am "i taking that shit again cause you look swole"
i dont see it myself, i look at my arms and think i'm skinny as fuck and everyone tells me it's obvious i'm on steroids why dont i admit to it...