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Tren and the Lungs...
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liquidmuscle
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dont know wether it scars the lungs or not but i can tell you my stamina/endurance go out the window when i am cycling tren and training for a fight...breathing heavy like a mofo
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slobberknocker
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My endurance goes to hell, and that fina cough feels like there's smoke in my lungs. Bump for some info.
I can stand a little cough for the look you get from fina...
Check out this thread on Anabolex on this subject. I love tren but this me wondering about its safety. Anybody have the final answer on this? Fonz?
Tren Lung Thread on Anabolex
Tren Lung Thread on Anabolex
Mythicalbeing
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I believe the fina cough comes from hitting a vein or the fina making a run right into a vessel...out of a 3 month cycle I had the cough 3 times...both times I tasted in the mouth before I started to cough. I believe aspiration is the key to avoiding this and getting into the lungs. Just my opinion.
The_Eviscerator
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Mythicalbeing said:
I wish I could believe you on this... but I just had my first tren coughing fit 2 days ago. My fiance was a nurse so she does all of my injections and she aspirated and did everything as normal... this time the cough hit me. She was scared and was ready to call 911...lol. I tried to explain to her (while I am coughing my lungs out) that this drug will do thei occasionally and to give it 3 minutes. I would really like to know the exact cause of the cough, because I have done at least 120 tren injections and this was the first one that this happened to me. It has never happened with any other compound.
I once asked an ag professor, that uses a lot of tren on cows and has managed several studies wrt its use, if he thought it hurt the cow's lungs, and after a search, he didn't find any evidence that would indicate that's true. He regarded the claim as completely without merit. I was feeling pretty good about using tren until I later found-out that cows only use 200mg of tren over 60 days, so if there is a problem, it might not show-up in those very lose doses.
anabolic24/7
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The_Eviscerator said:
I thought the cough was bunk also, it hit me after many injections, just for a couple times, and now that I'm back on it I've not had the cough again. It does make me short of breath. I have to believe that anything that transforms a body like tren, has to be putting alot of stress on it. It's like your working out all the time.
The_Eviscerator
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anabolic24/7 said:
I agree... no other compound I have used works as fast and changes my body comp as quickly... this does have to make you think about the internal changes that are occuring as well.
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slobberknocker
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Bump until somebody smart says something that sounds scientific, lol. Fonz, Huck, Macro, anyone?
DownUnder23
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??? I use tren all the time, and when cutting I can frequintly do an hour+ of cardio in on session and burn 800+ calories on the cardio machines at the gym? Tren doesn't seem to effect my stamina. Test and moderate or higher doses does lower it signifigantly if I'm holding any water.
majutsu
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I looked at this a while. First, no good study of lung function (PFTs, bronchial lavage or CT) with trenbolone. So in usual vet use must not be a significant problem, or it would have generated a study. Second, coughing fits (sudden bronchoconstriction) sounds like sudden beta-antagonist activity in the lungs. (which is why asthmatics take beta-agonists like inhalers or clen). My best guess is that tren at normal concentrations is like other AAS, but at a certain concentration become a beta-antagonist causing broncho-constriction. The question is why would tren sometimes distibute differently than others . . . But none of this can be figured out without receptor binding studies and pharmacodynamic studies of tren which don't seem to exist in that detail. This beta-receptor idea is JUST A GUESS therefore, but if true would make permanent damage unlikely. I would imagine based on my guess that tren/clen stacks would not have this coughing fit. Anyone, who knows please speak up, this is real interesting . . .
40butpumpin
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well, i'm not smart but i'm going to add my 2 cents, nonetheless.
first of all, and according to my studies, all respiration is caused and controlled by the CNS. the nervous system controls the initiation of respiration, the drive for increased ventilation, the rate and pattern of breathing, and finally provides the signals to the abdominal muscles for the need for forceful expiration.
coughing is a reflexive action which means it's caused by something that we have no control over. this also is controled completely and ultimately by the CNS.
so somehow the CNS is being triggered into thinking that it is necessary to cough at that particular time (some tren injects).
imo, you can't rule out the possibility of some small part of it entering the blood stream for some injects because that would indeed make it possible for the CNS to 'experience' it almost instantaneously, which could explain the immediate cough reflex.
there is in fact a class of blood pressure medications called ACE inhibitors that also cause a coughing reflex. this is thought by some to be related to a sudden release of nitric oxide, "which is known to have inflammatory effects on bronchial cells in the lungs." interestingly enough, iron supplementation has been found to help this as it can decrease the production of nitric oxide.
for me, however, i would not recommend taking any iron supplements as iron can be very harmful to the CV system if it is able to oxidize. the cough just doesn't justify taking iron for me.
finally, in my mind this does not have anything to do with the endurance reduction issue.
for what little this is, i hope it helps.
first of all, and according to my studies, all respiration is caused and controlled by the CNS. the nervous system controls the initiation of respiration, the drive for increased ventilation, the rate and pattern of breathing, and finally provides the signals to the abdominal muscles for the need for forceful expiration.
coughing is a reflexive action which means it's caused by something that we have no control over. this also is controled completely and ultimately by the CNS.
so somehow the CNS is being triggered into thinking that it is necessary to cough at that particular time (some tren injects).
imo, you can't rule out the possibility of some small part of it entering the blood stream for some injects because that would indeed make it possible for the CNS to 'experience' it almost instantaneously, which could explain the immediate cough reflex.
there is in fact a class of blood pressure medications called ACE inhibitors that also cause a coughing reflex. this is thought by some to be related to a sudden release of nitric oxide, "which is known to have inflammatory effects on bronchial cells in the lungs." interestingly enough, iron supplementation has been found to help this as it can decrease the production of nitric oxide.
for me, however, i would not recommend taking any iron supplements as iron can be very harmful to the CV system if it is able to oxidize. the cough just doesn't justify taking iron for me.
finally, in my mind this does not have anything to do with the endurance reduction issue.
for what little this is, i hope it helps.
