tren and ectomorphs don't mix for bulking....

[Guvna]

non-plat pics?

 

[hammertime30]

non-plat pics?

don't know how to post them any other way other than as an attachment...

 

[monkey arms]

It obviously comes down to diet. I know the drastic effects of tren and BF reduction, thats why I stack it with Test and Dbol.
Obviously 4000 cals a day are not enough. Bump it up to 5000 and then 6000 and see what happens. At some point your cals in will exceed cals out and YOU WILL GAIN WEIGHT.

BTW picts look great, nice work.

 

[DIVISION]

Hey, no offense, but I hate you!
J/K, yeah tren speeds up your metabolism so much. That's a lot in 3 weeks though. Are you sure you measure correctly?

I agree!

I wish it was that easy for me to strip away BF.

I have no sympathy for you Hammer.

I can't touch that....



DIV

 

[LVTitan]

I understand that I gained....but it's the bf index that I don't like......the lower my bf gets the higher the maintainance.....I naturally carry low bf but when I drop too low, my strength and energy goes with it.....and I have to eat every 1.5 hours just to keep from getting a headache......I like having bf in the range of 8-9% because I can sleep through the night without waking up starving and feeling weak..........

i know what you mean bro, i caught a lot of hell from the guys here when i told them i had super low body fat, i too am an ecto and very hard gainer. these guys all thought i was braggin and were talkin shit.
yeah if i go more than 2 hours without a meal, i get real weak and lightheaded and very irritable. it sucks having super low bf, i mean it looks cool like some kinda abercrombie model, chicks dig it, but it's a maintenance nightmare.

 

[DIVISION]

i know what you mean bro, i caught a lot of hell from the guys here when i told them i had super low body fat, i too am an ecto and very hard gainer. these guys all thought i was braggin and were talkin shit.
yeah if i go more than 2 hours without a meal, i get real weak and lightheaded and very irritable. it sucks having super low bf, i mean it looks cool like some kinda abercrombie model, chicks dig it, but it's a maintenance nightmare.

I understand TitaNugga......

Just remember, work with what you have. Cut up your physique to the utmost and you'll get women without trying. Just remember to keep eating meals every 2-3 hours and your nitrogen balance will be fine.

Yeah, don't brag about 2% BF again, that shit had kids coming out of the woodwork to attack you.......It was funny shit!

Like flies on shit!




DIV

 

[toxicsambo]

Ionic Pro is great....just needs to be cleaned every 4-5 days.....As far as cycle....I knew that tren builds lean muscle mass however didn't expect to drop that much in bf with 4000 cals and 120g of fat..........Appetite?? have no problem with eating....I get hungry every 2 hours on the dot and that's with 150ozs of water......I never run a cycle without test....test is 300mg per week right now tren about 450mg.....I'm going to shift it to 200mg tren (or I may just drop it all together) and 750mg test to see if I can get a little more mass going.........In order to do that I need more test so I have to see if I can get some more rather quickly first.....

I would think that if you give yourself time and be patient, the mass gains will come. Why wouldn't you want to lose bf and gain LBM? You look good in those pics, but not shredded. Shit, 15 lbs by the summer is not hard to do. You want quality muscle, not puffy meat. I say stick with what you're doing and just eat a little more.

Btw: Thanx for the Ionic Pro info. I'm looking to get one, but I didn't know if it was a p.o.s.

 

[hammertime30]

I would think that if you give yourself time and be patient, the mass gains will come. Why wouldn't you want to lose bf and gain LBM? You look good in those pics, but not shredded. Shit, 15 lbs by the summer is not hard to do. You want quality muscle, not puffy meat. I say stick with what you're doing and just eat a little more.

Btw: Thanx for the Ionic Pro info. I'm looking to get one, but I didn't know if it was a p.o.s.

There is a difference between competition level and the level I'm at....in those pics, I'm holding water and gladly so, but at the current bf level if I removed the excess water then yes I would be stage shredded (fat and water is not the same)....a guy at the gym who trains BBers told me that I could compete at the amatuer level now if I wanted to...of course in my weight class....once you get to 5% and remove excess then your skin would be what is called paper thin....Let me ask you.....if you got down to 6% bf would you want to continue to lose more bf?? At 5% bf maintainance, health and well being becomes and issue.....You start feeling weak and fatigue all the time and if you get stuck without food for more than 3 hours....headaches and dizziness kicks in.....I used to have this problem all the time and don't wish to experience it again!!...I know those who never experienced it don't understand...and wish they can carry low bf...but carrying extremely low bf for a prolonged period of time becomes a major health issue.........Infact....there was one time that I went 3-4 hours without food even after eating all day because of my job and blacked out....It's not as great as it looks....

 

[DIVISION]

there was one time that I went 3-4 hours without food even after eating all day because of my job and blacked out....It's not as great as it looks....

IMO, that is NEVER worth it.

If that's what it's come to for some of you guys, I sincerely think you need to find another hobby/profession.



DIV

 

[toxicsambo]

jfc. Then junk the Tren. Actually just send it to me for safe keeping.