Tren and cysts.......coincidence?

[burnthiscorpse]

I'm speaking of internal cysts. On organs. Obviously tren "could" give you gross cystic acne. But test could too. Maybe its 19nor specific. Maybe its dependant on prolactin regulation.


ANyways..... I have seen a few comments here and there. One here and that got me searching and I have since run across a bunch of it on other sites, boards ect in reading. But tren seems to have this possible link to internal cysts. This seems very troubling to me. Even though a cyst isnt a tumor....its still not good!
I have run across two people saying they had cysts on their kidneys post tren.
So are certain people more suceptable to it? Is it coincidence? It would stand to reason (to me anyways) that if you were one that got bad acne of the cystic back variety on tren or any nandrolone that you would in turn be suceptable to the internal variety no?
Then there are some guys who get no acne from 19 nor drugs either though.

Anyone read, experience ect....any of this?

Discuss

 

[stevesmi]

scary stuff to say the least but not surprising.. the way tren causes 'growth' in the body it wouldn't suprise me that you would increase your chances on tren. thats just a guess

 

[burnthiscorpse]

scary stuff to say the least but not surprising.. the way tren causes 'growth' in the body it wouldn't suprise me that you would increase your chances on tren. thats just a guess

Exactly. Tren pretty much forces growth. Even if you sit on the couch.

Ofcourse there is always going to be the argument/possibility that these kids had these cysts before they ever touched tren. But it seems very possible as strong as tren is.

I can tell you that I was dead set on running tren E this summer for 10 weeks until I found this info. Then I said fuck it...its just not worth it. I dont compete, have no desire to... so I figured why risk it.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

I believe it may stimulate growth of an existing cyst...but I know guys who have them that have never touched tren or any other aas for that matter. One guy in I know is sick all the time, gets kidney stones a lot and he has cysts on his kidneys.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

Another true story...a guy I meet probably 7 yrs ago. The same guy that told me how to convert finna. Well he used a lot of tren a of course, well about a year after I had meet him he had blood in his stool and was diagnosed with cancer. He caught it and beat it...they thought. It came back spread to his lungs and all over his body. Needless yo say he has passed. He told me he asked he doctor if his tren use had any relationship to his cancer. He says the doc said no...but who really knows. And after he beat the first round I know he was juicing again after.just never know, he was like 33 or so.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^^ the cancer things makes sense because of the growth factor.. so if you have some cancer cells and something sets them off like AAS use it could easily grow and then spread like a fire all over.

 

[ALIN]

I have worked with a TON of TREN users including myself for numerous years. I have never heard or seen anyone with
severe sides like internal cyst growths or cancers. I'm not saying its not possible,,but with numerous amounts we
train, I have never experienced like that.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Another true story...a guy I meet probably 7 yrs ago. The same guy that told me how to convert finna. Well he used a lot of tren a of course, well about a year after I had meet him he had blood in his stool and was diagnosed with cancer. He caught it and beat it...they thought. It came back spread to his lungs and all over his body. Needless yo say he has passed. He told me he asked he doctor if his tren use had any relationship to his cancer. He says the doc said no...but who really knows. And after he beat the first round I know he was juicing again after.just never know, he was like 33 or so.

Tren is designed to build lean mass on cattle that are basically standing still for 2 months before they are killed. So obviously its retardedly powerful and as I said you could run tren and sit on the couch and its still going to burn fat and grow muscle to an extent. The cattle arent supposed to live after the 63 day period or whatever it is so I'm sure no one ever thought beyond that. Obviously there are no studies in humans.
With all the stupid ass super soldier research ect and other crap I cant believe there have been no studies on humans. Even under ground ones.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

Yes it's a compound above all others. Alin I do not know for sure if that caused or elevated his tumors b or caused his cancer....but he was a avid tren user and ended up with cancer, then after being diagnosed cancer free he uses again and cancer returns. Granted I know many cases it returns on people after being diagnosed free.....and second round is very very tuff to beat. And I to have run a lot of tren in my time and am geared up to run another. But either way it makes you think.....

 

[stevesmi]

Tren is designed to build lean mass on cattle that are basically standing still for 2 months before they are killed. So obviously its retardedly powerful and as I said you could run tren and sit on the couch and its still going to burn fat and grow muscle to an extent. The cattle arent supposed to live after the 63 day period or whatever it is so I'm sure no one ever thought beyond that. Obviously there are no studies in humans.
With all the stupid ass super soldier research ect and other crap I cant believe there have been no studies on humans. Even under ground ones.

I am not an expert at all on the fina given to cattle but isn't it mega doses that if a human took would probably kill us in a short time too? if they are gonna get killed anyway it doesn't matter if they take huge doses.

so i think in that case as long as the tren use is responsible and not abusive I would think that would lessen the chances of anything like this happening.

when I am on tren my body becomes so full and huge that it doesn't surprise me that everything in my body grows

but since there isn't research done on humans we can only speculate like you said. but i would bet someone who abused tren at high doses for long periods of time would definately have multiple health problems from it.

 

[goin on 4T]

I wonder what all that fina in our beef is doing for our families? We are feeding all this crap food to our sons and daughters.


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[burnthiscorpse]

I wonder what all that fina in our beef is doing for our families? We are feeding all this crap food to our sons and daughters.


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I feel better about eating it in beef than shooting 700mg wk.
Probably why my kid is so fucking huge. But...lol...even though he is 11 I have already started him on regular bloodwork.


Steve: ya know...I didnt even consider the dose ratio given to a cow as opposed to what a human would use. One line (or one injection in a cartridge) is 10x10mg IIRC or 10x20mg....I forget. SO either way its either 100 or 200mg ED for 63 days. A lot.

 

[Soulthief]

All very good points. I've converted a lot and always thought "I'm chemically separating out the crap to get to the tren for me. But the cow gets all the other shit too." Then we eat the cow.

All this "thinking" but end of the the day it went in my arm. Maybe they should keep a cow around to live its life out to see what happens. We might not like what we see!

 

[goin on 4T]

^^^ Yep

 

[stevesmi]

the hormones in our food wouldn't make us bigger and stronger.. they would make us weaker. reason being it would suppress our bodies from the small amounts over time.. thats why you see guys in their 40's and 50's who are big meat eaters with guts and they haven't been able to get it up in decades .. their T levels are getting pushed lower over time at a faster rate

I don't eat red meat except in rare occasions and only grass fed 100%.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

So moral of the story is be smart when using tren. And don't over dose and over run your cycles.....tren is great, just more possible risks and sides involved.

 

[Soulthief]

the hormones in our food wouldn't make us bigger and stronger.. they would make us weaker. reason being it would suppress our bodies from the small amounts over time.. thats why you see guys in their 40's and 50's who are big meat eaters with guts and they haven't been able to get it up in decades .. their T levels are getting pushed lower over time at a faster rate

I don't eat red meat except in rare occasions and only grass fed 100%.

I somewhat disagree. I think kids are hitting puberty sooner. Damn, 12 year girls are having big boobs and boys seam taller and bigger earlier. I blame some of it on the hormone chicken that grows from chic to ready to eat in like 6-8 weeks.

I think the red meat gut you are referring to is mainly from it's building up in the intestines, pounds of it over years. I do agree with the T suppression you are mentioning. I think we all ate healthier and cleaning when I grew up. I'm 40. Mcd's was a treat and a home cooked well rounded meal was the norm.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

They are reaching puberty a lot earlier..but why do you think that is?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I somewhat disagree. I think kids are hitting puberty sooner. Damn, 12 year girls are having big boobs and boys seam taller and bigger earlier. I blame some of it on the hormone chicken that grows from chic to ready to eat in like 6-8 weeks.

I think the red meat gut you are referring to is mainly from it's building up in the intestines, pounds of it over years. I do agree with the T suppression you are mentioning. I think we all ate healthier and cleaning when I grew up. I'm 40. Mcd's was a treat and a home cooked well rounded meal was the norm.

I tend to agree with you. I'm not trying to sound creepy but yes...you see many young teen girls with huge tits and they look like they are 6-7 years older than they really are. My kid is a prime example. Started him on chicken in the food processor when he was 4 mos old. He's 11 and he's a monster. 25" quads and a 500 lb leg press. Thats no joke kids... 4T can back me up as he has seen the video.
Granted genetics and diet quality and quantity have a lot to do with the whole equasion.

 

[stevesmi]

I somewhat disagree. I think kids are hitting puberty sooner. Damn, 12 year girls are having big boobs and boys seam taller and bigger earlier. I blame some of it on the hormone chicken that grows from chic to ready to eat in like 6-8 weeks.

yes and that is why T levels in men drop earlier in life and faster. just imagine taking a small amount of AAS your entire life, over time it would fuck up your HPTA and make it more difficult for your body to produce strong amounts of testosterone.

its a very small amount just enough to suppress you without the benefits

its been proven that total T levels are lower today than they were 25 years ago in men. and way lower than 50 years ago. its a direct result of the food and environment... a lot of areas in the country the water we drink has small amounts of pesticides and other chemicals in them, that can't be good either

best thing to do is stay healthy and eat organic/grow your own food as much as possible. its not a full proof way to avoid the dangers but it will keep you a step ahead of everyone else

i have been saying this on fitness boards for the past decade but back then people thought I was a paranoid fool, now most everyone agrees beacuse the data backs it up.

 

[Soulthief]

yes and that is why T levels in men drop earlier in life and faster. just imagine taking a small amount of AAS your entire life, over time it would fuck up your HPTA and make it more difficult for your body to produce strong amounts of testosterone.

its a very small amount just enough to suppress you without the benefits

its been proven that total T levels are lower today than they were 25 years ago in men. and way lower than 50 years ago. its a direct result of the food and environment... a lot of areas in the country the water we drink has small amounts of pesticides and other chemicals in them, that can't be good either

best thing to do is stay healthy and eat organic/grow your own food as much as possible. its not a full proof way to avoid the dangers but it will keep you a step ahead of everyone else

i have been saying this on fitness boards for the past decade but back then people thought I was a paranoid fool, now most everyone agrees beacuse the data backs it up.

All true. Great points. I think its a bad mix of everything. Corpes makes a good point about kids getting bigger. And your right about suppression and our food. My wife and I eat organic, have gardens, she cooks 90% of our meals and we eat based on the raw food diet. If it will spoil on the counter in 3 days we don't eat it. I feel sick usually after eating out. I'm sure some is psychological from thinking about what's in the food.

When my 9 and 10 year old niece come over they love eating here. Its shocking to my sister because they usually eat mcd's and junk at home. Here its all healthy and desert is the fruit bowl. I think their bodies are actually craving the nutrients in what we cook. I try to get my sister to feed them different and she says we eat extreme and it looks like a lot of work. Pisses me off.

 

[stevesmi]

. I feel sick usually after eating out. I'm sure some is psychological from thinking about what's in the food.

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yup me too.. you get so used to eating natural and clean that you go to a restaurant where they drench everything with oils, butters, and grease that it makes you sick instantly. i'm very careful about what i order and where i go.

I used to eat at outback and i was on the toilet all night.. turns out a buddy of mine used to manage there and told me they drench their steaks with fried animal fat. and they used whipped butter on everything else.

 

[Soulthief]

yup me too.. you get so used to eating natural and clean that you go to a restaurant where they drench everything with oils, butters, and grease that it makes you sick instantly. i'm very careful about what i order and where i go.

I used to eat at outback and i was on the toilet all night.. turns out a buddy of mine used to manage there and told me they drench their steaks with fried animal fat. and they used whipped butter on everything else.

Well than only makes sense. My wife and I ate there last weekend. I had salmon, mixed veggies and salad no dressing. I had the shits half the night.

We live in the country and our tap water is poison. We filter or drink bottled. I hunt and have lots of friends who do. We eat a lot of deer, duck, goose, dove, etc. We go to Walmart for shampoo and toothpaste. Not food. We have some really good health grocery stores here. My friends laugh at how much I spend on health food and how picky we are. Unfortunately for them, I think I'll have the last laugh.

 

[training700]

I love that sickly full feeling haha only once in awhile after done cutting weight guess where eat healthy but still binge enough am used to it.

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[TheRippedReverend]

All I can say is Ive got cysts post test cycle not internal however, but still funny how it happened after cycle. Got three one on head, hamstring, and back close to rear delt armpit area.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

All I can say is Ive got cysts post test cycle not internal however, but still funny how it happened after cycle. Got three one on head, hamstring, and back close to rear delt armpit area.

You mean actual large cysts? Not smaller but still oversized acne cysts? Like the kind you need to have lanced?

I think the hormonal fluctuations that happen post cycle contribute to this. Doesnt matter how good a pct ect is...theres still a big change for the body going from exogenus to natty.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

yup me too.. you get so used to eating natural and clean that you go to a restaurant where they drench everything with oils, butters, and grease that it makes you sick instantly. i'm very careful about what i order and where i go.

I used to eat at outback and i was on the toilet all night.. turns out a buddy of mine used to manage there and told me they drench their steaks with fried animal fat. and they used whipped butter on everything else.

We used to eat out all the time years ago. Now we rarely do. If we do its at independant resturants where everything doesnt come off a freezer truck soaked in sodium.
I dont drink anymore (was never a big party guy anyways), but even if I wanted to have 2 or 3 lite beers during a football game I couldnt. Half way through the first one I feel poisoned.
I do have a cheat meal or two a week on sundays. Like tomorrow we are getting chinese. I'll stuff my face for 30 minutes and that will be it for the week. Then I'll feel like shit for the rest of the day. But I gotta have some junk once in a while. Usually we get pizza. Good pizza from independant local places not (gag) Pizza Hut or anything like that. Or the wife will make her lasagna or mac n cheese or whatever. Which isnt so unhealthy its just over eating for a day basically.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

You mean actual large cysts? Not smaller but still oversized acne cysts? Like the kind you need to have lanced?

I think the hormonal fluctuations that happen post cycle contribute to this. Doesnt matter how good a pct ect is...theres still a big change for the body going from exogenus to natty.

Um.... Not sure they where like big as a small bead in a necklace. Not quite as big as a dime but yea, I had to get that shit surgictly removed ( spelling error ) they were pretty big imo they went down in size after time even funnier Id say that had to do something with the hormonal bl.

The one on my head was not cancerish either so.... Idk and jus think Tren is 5-6x more potent than Test!

 

[stevesmi]

We used to eat out all the time years ago. Now we rarely do. If we do its at independant resturants where everything doesnt come off a freezer truck soaked in sodium.
I dont drink anymore (was never a big party guy anyways), but even if I wanted to have 2 or 3 lite beers during a football game I couldnt. Half way through the first one I feel poisoned.
I do have a cheat meal or two a week on sundays. Like tomorrow we are getting chinese. I'll stuff my face for 30 minutes and that will be it for the week. Then I'll feel like shit for the rest of the day. But I gotta have some junk once in a while. Usually we get pizza. Good pizza from independant local places not (gag) Pizza Hut or anything like that. Or the wife will make her lasagna or mac n cheese or whatever. Which isnt so unhealthy its just over eating for a day basically.

me and my X had chinese one time at the mall of all places.. what a horrible mistake.. we both are health nuts and we both spent the next 2 hours in the bathroom.. the poor girl was sick the whole night from it.

yeah papa johns, pizza hut, dominoes are all jokes.. there is an independent pizza place in town that makes their own dough and sauce fresh.. costs double those other places.. but doesn't make me sick.. i will hit it as a treat once or twice a month .. I like to hit the reviews online and see what people are saying first...

 

[rustilldown]

me and my X had chinese one time at the mall of all places.. what a horrible mistake.. we both are health nuts and we both spent the next 2 hours in the bathroom.. the poor girl was sick the whole night from it.

yeah papa johns, pizza hut, dominoes are all jokes.. there is an independent pizza place in town that makes their own dough and sauce fresh.. costs double those other places.. but doesn't make me sick.. i will hit it as a treat once or twice a month .. I like to hit the reviews online and see what people are saying first...

Mall Chinese is a risky take buddy!! Been there done that. I eat so healthy 95% of the tome that whenever I put anything foreign into my body I feel like shit all day and don't poo right for a few to follow. Ever since I have been takin b12 injections though I find I can digest food of all types much better. Pretty sure it isn't coincidence. As for the cysts and tren, I never had any acne on the one tren run I did Nor when I came off, but everytime I pct from a test cycle the cystic acne pops up some on my shoulders. Usually lasts about a month. I hate it and they hurt like a bitch sometimes especially when the shower hits them directly.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Mall Chinese is a risky take buddy!! Been there done that. I eat so healthy 95% of the tome that whenever I put anything foreign into my body I feel like shit all day and don't poo right for a few to follow. Ever since I have been takin b12 injections though I find I can digest food of all types much better. Pretty sure it isn't coincidence. As for the cysts and tren, I never had any acne on the one tren run I did Nor when I came off, but everytime I pct from a test cycle the cystic acne pops up some on my shoulders. Usually lasts about a month. I hate it and they hurt like a bitch sometimes especially when the shower hits them directly.

Theres a few local family owned chinese places. We go to the same one all the time for take out. It doesnt fuck us up too bad. I get the spicey garlic chicken and szechuan beef.


As for anything cyst wise like gorilla mentioned if I get a big ass zit like cyst i pop it or cut it. I cant take that shit on me. I'm a "self hacker" lol.
I really think its the prolactin. I ran deca the last time for like 7 weeks at 300mg and stopped because I started to get big ass cystic zits on my lower outer back. Like the kind you can pop in the a.m. and again a few hours later. Lasted months after. BUT>>> I ran no caber either.

 

[rustilldown]

Theres a few local family owned chinese places. We go to the same one all the time for take out. It doesnt fuck us up too bad. I get the spicey garlic chicken and szechuan beef.


As for anything cyst wise like gorilla mentioned if I get a big ass zit like cyst i pop it or cut it. I cant take that shit on me. I'm a "self hacker" lol.
I really think its the prolactin. I ran deca the last time for like 7 weeks at 300mg and stopped because I started to get big ass cystic zits on my lower outer back. Like the kind you can pop in the a.m. and again a few hours later. Lasted months after. BUT>>> I ran no caber either.

Tsk tsk no caber... Just buggin ya buddy I know you know your shit. I hate the ones you pop then can pop again in a few hours, I am also a self hacker and Soon as I pop one I run tea tree oil on it. I've had some really nasty shit come out of a few of em :S almost like a larva egg ugh !!

 

[nortex]

I've been involved with the cattle industry for years. Ralgro is the most popular cattle implant - by far. In fact, people will sometimes use other implants (with different actives) and still call it Ralgro. They'll say they're Ralgro'ng the cattle. I also work closely with large producers in the organic industry and unfortunately, Ralgro is even common on the organic/grass fed side too.

I just assumed the Ralgro was Tren from my experience with AAS and the old days when pellet/implant conversion instructions were hitting the boards.

I just checked and Ralgro isn't Tren. It is something called Zenerol - wiki says its a non steroidal estrogen agonist. Never heard of it. But it is strong. I know that one implant (I think 36 mg) in a young bull calf will likely make him sterile. 2 implants within the 1st year will definitely make him sterile. But 1 implant in a heifer at 6 mos doesn't seem to affect her reproductive abilities.

Just that I'd pass this on.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Tsk tsk no caber... Just buggin ya buddy I know you know your shit. I hate the ones you pop then can pop again in a few hours, I am also a self hacker and Soon as I pop one I run tea tree oil on it. I've had some really nasty shit come out of a few of em :S almost like a larva egg ugh !!

I battled a staph infection for a few months back in 06 or so that got in my arm pits (both) because of stick deoderant plugging pores. Multiple 50 cent piece sized cysts in each arm pit. Talk about some major pussage.
My wife got the staph from us cleaning out a horse stall and the shit and dust in the air and wiping an open pimple on her chin. Passed it on to me. Got one like a half baseball on my wrist. Nasty shit. She had a few nasty giant ones too. There was a time when I could squeeze any zit and it would turn into a boil type staph cyst. My immune system won after like 6 mos and now its like my system spits on infections. Even the puss from that shit running down the skin will cause new cysts where it touches. I was exposed to it a few times since and my immune system is like super charged and just says fuck off. Even my doc is amazed. Most people with staph infections get real fucked up.

 

[rustilldown]

I battled a staph infection for a few months back in 06 or so that got in my arm pits (both) because of stick deoderant plugging pores. Multiple 50 cent piece sized cysts in each arm pit. Talk about some major pussage.
My wife got the staph from us cleaning out a horse stall and the shit and dust in the air and wiping an open pimple on her chin. Passed it on to me. Got one like a half baseball on my wrist. Nasty shit. She had a few nasty giant ones too. There was a time when I could squeeze any zit and it would turn into a boil type staph cyst. My immune system won after like 6 mos and now its like my system spits on infections. Even the puss from that shit running down the skin will cause new cysts where it touches. I was exposed to it a few times since and my immune system is like super charged and just says fuck off. Even my doc is amazed. Most people with staph infections get real fucked up.

Damn!! Yah I have a friend who had a nasty staph infection and still this day he has had it try
To come back and bother him. Nasty shit glad you are winning the battle

 

[Soulthief]

I battled a staph infection for a few months back in 06 or so that got in my arm pits (both) because of stick deoderant plugging pores. Multiple 50 cent piece sized cysts in each arm pit. Talk about some major pussage.

I stopped using regular deodorant and especially antiperspirant years ago because this happened to a friend. Plus, the aluminum in them has been linked to Alzheimer's. I get mine at health food stores. All natural. Glad you got through it.

 

[goin on 4T]

I went to a skin doctor once to get a backtial(sp) like a facial but for your back. My back was soooo bad from mastron and NPP that they brought out the scalple first and sliced those fuckers off, there were about 20-30. Nasty smelling stuff comes out those things!
And then they scrubbed my back with all those open soars. FM

 

[stevesmi]

I've been involved with the cattle industry for years. Ralgro is the most popular cattle implant - by far. In fact, people will sometimes use other implants (with different actives) and still call it Ralgro. They'll say they're Ralgro'ng the cattle. I also work closely with large producers in the organic industry and unfortunately, Ralgro is even common on the organic/grass fed side too.

I just assumed the Ralgro was Tren from my experience with AAS and the old days when pellet/implant conversion instructions were hitting the boards.

I just checked and Ralgro isn't Tren. It is something called Zenerol - wiki says its a non steroidal estrogen agonist. Never heard of it. But it is strong. I know that one implant (I think 36 mg) in a young bull calf will likely make him sterile. 2 implants within the 1st year will definitely make him sterile. But 1 implant in a heifer at 6 mos doesn't seem to affect her reproductive abilities.

Just that I'd pass this on.

i have a childhood friend who was in the cattle business and they never used anything like this back then... the cows he had on the farm were all grassfed.. they had huge land.. however at the same time they had to get out of the business because they couldn't make money at it that way. hence why cattle farmers today use ralgro.. who is gonna pay $30 for a steak anyway when they can pay 1/4th of that for a ralgro pumped piece of steak right? its about the green and as consumers until we all wake up it will continue getting worse and worse.

problem is people are too stupid to put 2+2 together and figure out the foods they are eating are making them impotent and sick.

btw my friends family sold all their cow pasture 10 years ago and now they are covered with suburban homes.

 

[nortex]

We grow our own beef and we usually purchase the pork locally. The kids can hardly stand beef and pork from the supermarket. But it's not necessarily the hormones that affect the taste and quality. Truth is, its kinda like people. Some calves don't have the genetics, muscular development, marbling, etc to make a decent steak. They're at a disadvantage to their peers with better genes and hormone levels. I've ralgro'd (in the past) our calves before and then fed them out with a corn/mix grain and the taste and quality is still amazing.

One of the problems with store bought beef is the feed yards they pass though before being slaughtered. They mix all sorts of strange additives and by-products into their feed rations to make 'grade' affordably. There are a lot of growers/ranchers who grow good natural beef but 99% of the time they DONT butcher and pack their meat to sell to market. They sell their calves to a buyer who then puts them in a feed yard to make 'grade' before slaughter. So most natural beef is not so natural in the end.

The market is very dishonest. My only suggestion is for people to get closer to their food source.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Damn!! Yah I have a friend who had a nasty staph infection and still this day he has had it try
To come back and bother him. Nasty shit glad you are winning the battle

After it initially subsided it did try to come back for months. There would be certain types of pimples that would pop on my sides and close to my arm pits. Always on both sides. Almost symetrical. I knew by how they looked and felt not to fuck with them or they would turn into huge cysts. Eventually they stopped too. Now I can get a nasty zit anywhere, hell I could break it open and rub dirt in it and it wont matter. My immune system ass raped it and told it GTFO. Probably why i dont get sick really anymore. I will catch that puke/shit 24 hr bug every other year or so. But I havnt had the flu in years. Ipam doesnt hurt either.

 

[stevesmi]

We grow our own beef and we usually purchase the pork locally. The kids can hardly stand beef and pork from the supermarket. But it's not necessarily the hormones that affect the taste and quality. Truth is, its kinda like people. Some calves don't have the genetics, muscular development, marbling, etc to make a decent steak. They're at a disadvantage to their peers with better genes and hormone levels. I've ralgro'd (in the past) our calves before and then fed them out with a corn/mix grain and the taste and quality is still amazing.

One of the problems with store bought beef is the feed yards they pass though before being slaughtered. They mix all sorts of strange additives and by-products into their feed rations to make 'grade' affordably. There are a lot of growers/ranchers who grow good natural beef but 99% of the time they DONT butcher and pack their meat to sell to market. They sell their calves to a buyer who then puts them in a feed yard to make 'grade' before slaughter. So most natural beef is not so natural in the end.

The market is very dishonest. My only suggestion is for people to get closer to their food source.

thats the thing about it though... its simple economics.. a grocery store can buy in bulk less quality and sell it for a profit vs. buying quality and it sitting on the shelf and going bad. I noticed over the years ironically living in more rural areas the supermarkets had less quality meats than living in say south florida. its not that rural areas don't have the ability to produce the quality, its that the consumers are very ignorant and just can't afford to buy quality.

hell if you go to the supermarket and buy an orange its from California or south america etc.. because its cheaper for grocery stores to ship them in than actually pick FL oranges.. economics at work. a cali orange shipped in thousands of miles 2 weeks ago isn't in the same league as a fresh FL orange picked right after a cold snap. but people would rather pay half the price for less quality.

anyway what state you live bro? i would love to buy meat off of you fresh... the freshest meat i have access to that is genuine locally farmed and grassfed i know for sure is frozen... and its just not the same. the only thing i have going for me though is I am a helluva fisherman so i catch my own fresh fish and i grow my own food as much as possible

 

[nortex]

Your right about the economics. I also understand the irony of finding cheap,import oranges in FL.

I live in Northeast TX. I grew up in North CA and Reno, NV. Just like your experience in FL, when I moved to TX, I couldn't find any quality steaks even though I was in the #1 cattle producing state. Most states make more exporting high value products rather than recirculating the money in their own state.

I later realized that it wasn't that people in my area didn't care about steak, it was just that many of them purchased locally from the rancher or meat locker. I wasn't eating my own beef at the time for economic reasons. I know an old rancher who won't eat chicken. It was because his family and generations before were in the cattle business. That meant they ONLY ate chicken and pork. Their cattle were too valuable to eat. I thought that was interesting. Well my problem at the time was that I didn't have enough freezer space to keep a steer calf. An 800 lb (live weight) calf will take up as much space as 8-10 school backpacks. It's no problem now, we have 2 refrigerators and 2 freezers.

I'd love to help some guys out with fresh meat. I've actually been thinking of business ideas for my 17 year old daughter (its hard to get them involved with anything other than iPhones) . My idea for her is to create a website for us to market home raised beef to individuals and small grocers.

We're not there yet, but gettin there.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Your right about the economics. I also understand the irony of finding cheap,import oranges in FL.

I live in Northeast TX. I grew up in North CA and Reno, NV. Just like your experience in FL, when I moved to TX, I couldn't find any quality steaks even though I was in the #1 cattle producing state. Most states make more exporting high value products rather than recirculating the money in their own state.

I later realized that it wasn't that people in my area didn't care about steak, it was just that many of them purchased locally from the rancher or meat locker. I wasn't eating my own beef at the time for economic reasons. I know an old rancher who won't eat chicken. It was because his family and generations before were in the cattle business. That meant they ONLY ate chicken and pork. Their cattle were too valuable to eat. I thought that was interesting. Well my problem at the time was that I didn't have enough freezer space to keep a steer calf. An 800 lb (live weight) calf will take up as much space as 8-10 school backpacks. It's no problem now, we have 2 refrigerators and 2 freezers.

I'd love to help some guys out with fresh meat. I've actually been thinking of business ideas for my 17 year old daughter (its hard to get them involved with anything other than iPhones) . My idea for her is to create a website for us to market home raised beef to individuals and small grocers.

We're not there yet, but gettin there.

Id be down for that

 

[ceo]

I am not an expert at all on the fina given to cattle but isn't it mega doses that if a human took would probably kill us in a short time too? if they are gonna get killed anyway it doesn't matter if they take huge doses.

so i think in that case as long as the tren use is responsible and not abusive I would think that would lessen the chances of anything like this happening.

when I am on tren my body becomes so full and huge that it doesn't surprise me that everything in my body grows

but since there isn't research done on humans we can only speculate like you said. but i would bet someone who abused tren at high doses for long periods of time would definately have multiple health problems from it.

1 dose of Finaplix-H in a feedlot heifer is 200mg.

 

[ceo]

I wonder what all that fina in our beef is doing for our families? We are feeding all this crap food to our sons and daughters.


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you could always buy grass fed beef.

 

[ceo]

Steve: ya know...I didnt even consider the dose ratio given to a cow as opposed to what a human would use. One line (or one injection in a cartridge) is 10x10mg IIRC or 10x20mg....I forget. SO either way its either 100 or 200mg ED for 63 days. A lot.

Where do you get that feedlot heifers (or steers) are given the implants daily??

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Where do you get that feedlot heifers (or steers) are given the implants daily??

Back when I was looking into converting (which i never ended up doing) I read it from the description of the item. The paragraph below would say "revalor (finaplix h) given daily for 63 days prior to slaughter"
Unless im no crack and am not remembering right.

 

[ceo]

Back when I was looking into converting (which i never ended up doing) I read it from the description of the item. The paragraph below would say "revalor (finaplix h) given daily for 63 days prior to slaughter"
Unless im no crack and am not remembering right.

It does say, "Finaplix is to be used in feedlot heifers ONLY during the last 63 days prior to slaughter." But that doesn't mean it's dosed daily. Think about how expensive it would be to dose that to every feedlot heifer, every day!

Usually a dose or two, plus a bunch of estrogen. Whatever it takes to get the cattle to that 1,200 lbs so they can slaughter it. The calf is usually around 14-18 months old by then.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

It does say, "Finaplix is to be used in feedlot heifers ONLY during the last 63 days prior to slaughter." But that doesn't mean it's dosed daily. Think about how expensive it would be to dose that to every feedlot heifer, every day!

Usually a dose or two, plus a bunch of estrogen. Whatever it takes to get the cattle to that 1,200 lbs so they can slaughter it. The calf is usually around 14-18 months old by then.

WTF do you know CEO......well obviously more then me as I dose my heifer with Atomic Tabs.....them bitchs go crazy.

 

[stevesmi]

i heard that turkeys only live a little more than a year cause of all the hormones they are getting slammed with. typically turkeys are supposed to live 8 years or so.

pretty crazy stuff. i would love to eat a wild turkey anyday over the hormone/sodium injected shit from the store

 

[stevesmi]

It does say, "Finaplix is to be used in feedlot heifers ONLY during the last 63 days prior to slaughter." But that doesn't mean it's dosed daily. Think about how expensive it would be to dose that to every feedlot heifer, every day!

Usually a dose or two, plus a bunch of estrogen. Whatever it takes to get the cattle to that 1,200 lbs so they can slaughter it. The calf is usually around 14-18 months old by then.

good point.. but I'm still more concerned with the stuff they are getting fed. they probably save more than enough on the fina by feeding them corn and soy and having them step in their own shit vs. letting them graze on good quality grassland

i can taste a real difference between grass fed and regular steak. same with cage free and regular eggs. i gag on regular eggs now after being so used to cage free.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

It does say, "Finaplix is to be used in feedlot heifers ONLY during the last 63 days prior to slaughter." But that doesn't mean it's dosed daily. Think about how expensive it would be to dose that to every feedlot heifer, every day!

Usually a dose or two, plus a bunch of estrogen. Whatever it takes to get the cattle to that 1,200 lbs so they can slaughter it. The calf is usually around 14-18 months old by then.

Your right bro... I just kinda took it as implied when I read it. Didnt think about it at the time. I havnt looked into anything like that since 09'.

 

[ceo]

WTF do you know CEO......well obviously more then me as I dose my heifer with Atomic Tabs.....them bitchs go crazy.

Lol!! Chew that shit!

 

[ceo]

good point.. but I'm still more concerned with the stuff they are getting fed. they probably save more than enough on the fina by feeding them corn and soy and having them step in their own shit vs. letting them graze on good quality grassland

i can taste a real difference between grass fed and regular steak. same with cage free and regular eggs. i gag on regular eggs now after being so used to cage free.

No doubt. They are fed mostly corn products and given estrogen, maybe some tren, probably more antibiotics and whatever else is needed to get them to weight to slaughter. It is about productivity and efficiency just like any business.

 

[nortex]

Cattleman can be pretty cheap as the margins continue to shrink. Calves are often implanted once. Those ranchers and or feedlot owners who are believers in elevated hormone levels may implant twice (in a 6-12 month period) believing they will receive a proportional return on investment. But many believe and have experienced that the rate of gain isn't always proportional with two implants.

So the hormone issue is sometimes exaggerated. The feed issue is not. Feed yards will buy the cheapest hay. People complain about the corn and soy, but that's the good stuff. Things like gin trash (cotton and shell waste), peanut hulls/trash, cornstalks, etc are often mixed with cheap oils and liquid urea to complete the ration. Then they might add something like sulfuric (battery) acid to irritate the cows rumen (stomach) to cause it to consume more food in hopes of settling its stomach.

And yes, the number of days is referring to federal 'withdrawal' restrictions. Your not allowed to medicate or implant a calf or cow so many days before slaughter. Which is a good thing.

But here's the problem (or at least another):

Sick, injured, recently implanted or medicated and near death cattle constantly enter the food chain. You see they're brought to the auction and sold and the buyer is never informed of the cows problems or treatments. Anyone with a bad animal sends it to the sale to minimize their financial lose.

I won't even get into the Mexican cattle that have been flooding the market.