Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below 
Gorilla-Pharma
New member
I am thinking of running the do not run Deca/Tren. Have any of you held ever ran them together or do you know of someone. What was pros and cons. I don't need a lecture on this cycle as I'm well aware. Imput???
Tran A, NPP, Test P Cycle
- Thread starter Gorilla-Pharma
- Start date
Texas Monster
New member
I have stacked DECA and Tren together. The sides became unbearable until I upped my caber dosage. I was also on masteron so that helped with the prolactin sides as well.
The thing you got to be aware of is that if you are going to stack the 2 you need to do a few things.
1) Up your caber dosage. And it has to be caber not prami. Sorry but it is going to be a harsh cycle and you are going to want the best dopamine antagonist.
2)Stack a DHT in there. Whether it be masteron, proviron, winstrol, or primo. I would go with masteron just because tren will allready be harsh on the lipids and there is no need to stack an oral like proviron or winstrol with that in mind.
3) Recovery is going to need to be your key focus of the cycle. Make sure you have a very solid PCT lined up and it is not going to be your typical 4 weeker. The first 4 weeks will be your standard pct but then you will have to spend another 4-6 weeks stretching your pct out with more DAA, Forma, and phtoserms 347.
4) You will have to take extra time off. Stacking two 19 nors will wreak havoc on your HPTA. The typical time on + pct = time off will not due here. Example if you plan on running a cycle like this in the winter do not expect to run another one until next winter. That should give your body the time needed to heal and let your receptors clear for another good cycle.
Ok enough with that lets move on to the pros.
Since you will be stacking the shorter esters together this will mean that you will have a faster recovery rather than stacking deca and tren e together. Now you will still need a DHT in there but make sure the cycle lasts no longer than 10 weeks.
Depending on how advanced you are I can tell you it would be a sick cycle. The tren is gonna keep all your allready less bloaty gains of nPP even drier and harder and when you add test and mast in the picture you have the nice polishing finish to it all.
Again this is an advanced cycle layout but it is something I would run.
Week 1-10 Test p 100mg eod
Week 1-8 Tren a 100mg eod
Week 1-8 NPP 200mg eod
Week 1-10 Mast p 150 mg eod
Week 1-10 N2GAURD
Week 1-10 HCGenerate
Week 5-10 HCG 500ius
Week 8-16 N2slin
Week 1-10 Caber .5 mg e3d
PCT Week 11-14
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma
DAA
PCT+unleashed
t3 PCT
Week 15-18
Phytoserms 347
DAA
Bridge
The thing you got to be aware of is that if you are going to stack the 2 you need to do a few things.
1) Up your caber dosage. And it has to be caber not prami. Sorry but it is going to be a harsh cycle and you are going to want the best dopamine antagonist.
2)Stack a DHT in there. Whether it be masteron, proviron, winstrol, or primo. I would go with masteron just because tren will allready be harsh on the lipids and there is no need to stack an oral like proviron or winstrol with that in mind.
3) Recovery is going to need to be your key focus of the cycle. Make sure you have a very solid PCT lined up and it is not going to be your typical 4 weeker. The first 4 weeks will be your standard pct but then you will have to spend another 4-6 weeks stretching your pct out with more DAA, Forma, and phtoserms 347.
4) You will have to take extra time off. Stacking two 19 nors will wreak havoc on your HPTA. The typical time on + pct = time off will not due here. Example if you plan on running a cycle like this in the winter do not expect to run another one until next winter. That should give your body the time needed to heal and let your receptors clear for another good cycle.
Ok enough with that lets move on to the pros.
Since you will be stacking the shorter esters together this will mean that you will have a faster recovery rather than stacking deca and tren e together. Now you will still need a DHT in there but make sure the cycle lasts no longer than 10 weeks.
Depending on how advanced you are I can tell you it would be a sick cycle. The tren is gonna keep all your allready less bloaty gains of nPP even drier and harder and when you add test and mast in the picture you have the nice polishing finish to it all.
Again this is an advanced cycle layout but it is something I would run.
Week 1-10 Test p 100mg eod
Week 1-8 Tren a 100mg eod
Week 1-8 NPP 200mg eod
Week 1-10 Mast p 150 mg eod
Week 1-10 N2GAURD
Week 1-10 HCGenerate
Week 5-10 HCG 500ius
Week 8-16 N2slin
Week 1-10 Caber .5 mg e3d
PCT Week 11-14
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma
DAA
PCT+unleashed
t3 PCT
Week 15-18
Phytoserms 347
DAA
Bridge
Gorilla-Pharma
New member
Very great response and what I was looking for Tex. I originally was going to run it with Masteron and not NPP to begin with....but I've always wanted to hit that dreaded beast cycle. I've been on for about a yr now with little off time bridging between different cycles. I have only running Epi and Masteron for last 6 weeks and coming off all very soon. Gonna PCT hard about like the one you have laid out for this cycle now. Then go another 8 weeks before doing this cycle. I have had blood work in last 2 months or so and nothing to crazy out of sack surprisingly. And did another for a life insurance policy and they cleared me for that. I figured as long as I've ran is would have been F-%*ed. What sides were harsh? I've ran Tren E with Test for a very extended amount of time before and sides were not crazy.
Texas Monster
New member
It was mainly night sweats, fluctuating of body temp and sometime my bp would skyrocket when I was working out.
I hopped on some N2gaurd and upped the caber dosage and it cleared it right up.
I hopped on some N2gaurd and upped the caber dosage and it cleared it right up.
hey bro, just out of curiosity... what is your goal from this cycle? test, mast and tren is a dream cycle... im not going to lecture you at all bro because i know you already know your shit but i just don't like the amount of recovery and just how harsh it is on you bro...
Gorilla-Pharma
New member
For me I have wanted to do this cycle more for the experience of it. I know that sounds dumb but as I was told in discussion with another elite that's well respected on here " we are athletes and we always push or body's to the limit" and that's in and out of the gym. I prob will do as I always do and stick with old safe and run my gut feeling cycle of Test, Mast, and Tren...But I will always be curious of the amount of mass and feeling that nasty decca, Tren combo could bring on if ran right, and we olny have 1 that has stepped forward as to have run this mad.....or stupid cycle. Human nature/curiosity is brutal.
Texas Monster
New member
This really is not a mad or stupid cycle if you are an experienced user.
Now I do admit this might be pushing the limits for some but recovery for some people is just easier than for others.
As long as you keep everything in check on cycle there should be no problem with recovery on a cycle like this. I will actually probably be running something similar in the near future once I get through the holidays.
I have ran a cycle in the past that lasted 25 weeks and consisted of running Test p, deca, tren e, mast , winny, tbol and my recovery was solid.
I imagine running a ten week blast like the one laid out above would yield better results in my case and recovery would actually be easier.
IMO once you have pushed juicing to an extreme limit, the limits that others call extreme are more like dream cycles like the one I laid out above.
If you are experienced and I mean very very very experienced and know what recovery is like for each compound and have ran a cycle longer than 10-12 weeks and had a solid recovery then I see nothing wrong in a cycle like this one. You will actually really enjoy it if you keep everything in check and do a solid pct then take the necessary time off.
Now I do admit this might be pushing the limits for some but recovery for some people is just easier than for others.
As long as you keep everything in check on cycle there should be no problem with recovery on a cycle like this. I will actually probably be running something similar in the near future once I get through the holidays.
I have ran a cycle in the past that lasted 25 weeks and consisted of running Test p, deca, tren e, mast , winny, tbol and my recovery was solid.
I imagine running a ten week blast like the one laid out above would yield better results in my case and recovery would actually be easier.
IMO once you have pushed juicing to an extreme limit, the limits that others call extreme are more like dream cycles like the one I laid out above.
If you are experienced and I mean very very very experienced and know what recovery is like for each compound and have ran a cycle longer than 10-12 weeks and had a solid recovery then I see nothing wrong in a cycle like this one. You will actually really enjoy it if you keep everything in check and do a solid pct then take the necessary time off.
Gorilla-Pharma
New member
O I can agree Tex, I've done stupid such as Tren for about 6 months....but a cycle like this can be great for an experienced user as you stated. I'm saying mad or stupid because to most it is. When sometime posts such a cycle the response is usually. Wow that's dumb i would not take 2 19-nor compounds together, Gyno is most probably gonna occur, ur blood pressure from such a cycle is gonna boil and scream dead man, sides will be unbearable, or Post cycle is gonna be real bad and not worth it.......But as you said " if run correctly- an experienced user- keep everything in check....is any of them statements accurate or true to someone running it right?
How is that cycle any different then a beginner jumping in a D-bol, test, decca cycle without proper support and only clomid for PCT because some old school iron head said that's the cycle to do.......
How is that cycle any different then a beginner jumping in a D-bol, test, decca cycle without proper support and only clomid for PCT because some old school iron head said that's the cycle to do.......
Gorilla-Pharma
New member
I know I am talking both ways For/unsure/against this cycle.....but I'm on the fence on this one. That's why I put the post up.
Texas Monster
New member
Yes those statements are true for an experienced user.
As long as you keep your progesterone in check, ur e2 in check, ur ITT in check, ur Blood pressure in check, and your diet in check this cycle is very plausible and doable for the experienced user.
This is different from a newbie hopping on deca in many ways. When you first start out in roids you have no idea how you are going to react to them. Which compounds give you which side effects etc. So when first starting out it is best to take things slow and ease into things. Plus deca just takes way to long to clear anyways.
Now for the guys who have allready stacked 4 or more compounds and have ran longer cycles it is really a different story. Your tolerance is a little bit higher and also you have the mental capacity to run an advanced cycle because you will know how you are reacting to each compound. So if it gets to the point where your blood pressure is not coming down even when lowering sodium uping ancilerie dosage etc then it is time to drop the tren and let the NPP do the rest of the work. This is why I advocate only running 19-nors in short esters because if sides come about then it is best to let that shit clear ASAP!
All in all it depends on how well you react to cycling.
I know for me this cycle would be perfect ending right at ten weeks. That is about my threshold anyways.
If anything go with the NPP first then ease tren in there and see how you react to it.
As long as you keep your progesterone in check, ur e2 in check, ur ITT in check, ur Blood pressure in check, and your diet in check this cycle is very plausible and doable for the experienced user.
This is different from a newbie hopping on deca in many ways. When you first start out in roids you have no idea how you are going to react to them. Which compounds give you which side effects etc. So when first starting out it is best to take things slow and ease into things. Plus deca just takes way to long to clear anyways.
Now for the guys who have allready stacked 4 or more compounds and have ran longer cycles it is really a different story. Your tolerance is a little bit higher and also you have the mental capacity to run an advanced cycle because you will know how you are reacting to each compound. So if it gets to the point where your blood pressure is not coming down even when lowering sodium uping ancilerie dosage etc then it is time to drop the tren and let the NPP do the rest of the work. This is why I advocate only running 19-nors in short esters because if sides come about then it is best to let that shit clear ASAP!
All in all it depends on how well you react to cycling.
I know for me this cycle would be perfect ending right at ten weeks. That is about my threshold anyways.
If anything go with the NPP first then ease tren in there and see how you react to it.
Gorilla-Pharma
New member
Well I have ran a lot of different compounds and 4 at once site injections, etc you name it. I'm not saying I'm king elite as we all can learn from each other. That's what makes this forum so great. I do know I react very well with min sides to all compounds done to date and its a list. I also post/recover well. Sodium has though in fact been a problem for me....
Being I have done all the compounds, I'm going to jump into them all rather then add tren in after start. I do believe in adding the Mast in for prolactin sides, I have grown very fond of Masteron in my cycles. Decisions.....Decisions.
O and appreciate all your input Tex I can tell you have ran many well laid out cycles.
Being I have done all the compounds, I'm going to jump into them all rather then add tren in after start. I do believe in adding the Mast in for prolactin sides, I have grown very fond of Masteron in my cycles. Decisions.....Decisions.
O and appreciate all your input Tex I can tell you have ran many well laid out cycles.
Texas Monster
New member
Sodium has to stay under control on cycle. I use no-salt with all my stuff and use products with sodium sparingly.
Thanks for the comp.
I am training natty right now for a while and getting things in order for the next blast. I too have decisions to make.
I am giving the IF diet a try first though to see if I can drop down into single digit body fat. For the past year I have been stuck right around 10 to 12 %.
When I drop to single digits I will probably run the cycle laid out above or
Week 1-10 Test c 250mg
Week 1-10 NPP 200mg eod
Week 1-10 Mast P 200mg eod
Week 7-12 Winny 60mg ed
Thanks for the comp.
I am training natty right now for a while and getting things in order for the next blast. I too have decisions to make.
I am giving the IF diet a try first though to see if I can drop down into single digit body fat. For the past year I have been stuck right around 10 to 12 %.
When I drop to single digits I will probably run the cycle laid out above or
Week 1-10 Test c 250mg
Week 1-10 NPP 200mg eod
Week 1-10 Mast P 200mg eod
Week 7-12 Winny 60mg ed
Gorilla-Pharma
New member
Texas Monster
New member
Just so I can stretch out the Winny in there 
And I also feel That I get a better result from 10 weeks of test c instead of 10 weeks of test p if that makes sense. Just trying to combine the best of all worlds.
And I also feel That I get a better result from 10 weeks of test c instead of 10 weeks of test p if that makes sense. Just trying to combine the best of all worlds.
Gorilla-Pharma
New member
Just so I can stretch out the Winny in there
Ok, I didn't notice the 2 week stretch on winny just glanced and do most my posting on smart phone. Looks sound.....not as good as your Tren, NPP, Prop, and Mast layout but solid none the less. You run UG or HG or whatever is there? Tren and winny aside of course.
Texas Monster
New member
Yeah I might hold off on another tren run because I just got off one So I was gonna keep it lighter before blasting that one I suggested.
I run both UG and HG
I run both UG and HG
Gorilla-Pharma
New member
Bombs away Texas...I have my Tren A and Test P in standby, just sent my man the go head on my NPP and Mast P...
