Training for MusclemaniaCanada 2003

[MohawkMuscle]

They are having this contest held in my home town next year with classes open to all. I am getting some training and diet advice from fellow musclemania champ Markus Reainhardt.

My question is are these shows 100% natural? I am currently 235-240 13% fat.
I want to make sure I go into the contest right. Natural or with some help.

Thanks for peopl in the know.
Please no speculations...just facts.

 

[Mischief]

No, there probably aren't any shows that are 100% natural, some competitors will be, others won't. I think MM is one of the more liberal groups, allowing anything that is legal as a supplement. My personal opinion, do it, but go in natural. Anybody who juices, and doesn't have the balls to enter an NPC is pathetic pussy. I can't even imagine running cycles, then entering a natural show, how could you even feel good about yourself? All that proves is a lack of confidence. Do it natural. If you want to take illegal drugs, cool, but enter an NPC with everyone else.

 

[liftsiron]

No, there probably aren't any shows that are 100% natural, some competitors will be, others won't. I think MM is one of the more liberal groups, allowing anything that is legal as a supplement. My personal opinion, do it, but go in natural. Anybody who juices, and doesn't have the balls to enter an NPC is pathetic pussy. I can't even imagine running cycles, then entering a natural show, how could you even feel good about yourself? All that proves is a lack of confidence. Do it natural. If you want to take illegal drugs, cool, but enter an NPC with everyone else.

Well said indeed, my sentiments exactly!!!!

 

[getbig27]

ive said it before and i'll say it again the WNBF, NGA, ANBC, MM are all "natural" organizations who's competitors use juice. maybe not as much as the npc guys but they do juice. so if u do juice and compete in one of these organizations you are only competeing against OTHER guys who juice.....no shame in that....all u are doing is making it an even playing field. ......if noooooooo one in these "natural" organization juiced what mischeif said would be correct but how can he be correct when i know guys in each of the organizations i mentioned above and they all run cycles and talk about everyone else who does the same just to win and stay competitive. i dont think they are pussies for not competeing in the NPC...they have just choosen these venues to display their muslce. believe it or not mischief not everyone wants to compete in the npc to turn an IFBB pro. i used to compete in these organizations and now i dont.....i compete in the npc now.........why? not because i want to be an IFBB pro or stop being a pussy ...JUST BECAUSE MY BIG ASS FELT LIKE IT!!!

 

[Mischief]

Nope, not convinced. First of all, I'd say only a small percentage juice (in those feds), I've been to many and seen them. I have a very good friend who has entered a number of natural shows, and several NPCs, and he is 100% lifetime natural (no pro-hormones, nothing, not even ephedrine b/c he doesn't like it). He's also never placed lower than second, and wins more often than not. You are missing the point, and your philosophy is a bit disturbing actually. If someone juices, why in the fuck would they enter a contest for Natural Atheletes? And try to represent that they are natural. Your "just because everyone else is doing it" excuse (which is not true anyway, there are MANY natural atheletes, some very good) is pathetic.

If someone is grown up enough to take steroids and diet drugs, then they need to be grown up enough to enter contests where that possibility / probablilty is at least expected. I'm not saying come in and say, "I take such and such", but at least in the NPC, anyone who enters it, knows what the competition will be like. Going to a natural show, and stealing a victory from a natural athelete is an act of cowardness in the highest regard. Anyone who does so, like I said, is a pathetic pussy.

That's why the NPC is there. The NPC exists as a showcase, where no matter what you do, you can compete on a level playing field. Your justification would be like me going with 2 of my friends and kicking a bunch of 2nd graders asses is T-Ball, yeah, I'd feel really great about that.

You're probabaly one of the guys my friend beat, 100% legit, then sat there and cried, assuming he only won becasue he cheated, whatever, that's fucking pathetic.

Your friends are pussies.

 

[liftsiron]

I'm still 100% with Mschief, why would anyone on juice want to pretend to be natural. Its like going somewhere on spring break then lying your ass off to all the hotties. I feel that there is a serious flaw in ones personality, when one needs to assume a false persona to feel accomplishment and achevement that is not rightly his or hers. We have a women at the gym where I work that has more cycles under her belt than most men, yet she loves to compete in natural shows and deny steroid use. The last natural show that she entered, she failed the polygraph three times, yet was allowed to compete because she had a temper tantrum. In this show she won her class but lost the overall. Both her and her husband are fucked in the head.

 

[MohawkMuscle]

I think the difference may lye in the fact that "naturals" want to stay looking good. wide delts small waist 220-230 average for the 6ft+ heavy weightweight. They use only just enough juice to convince people they are natural.

When you enter the NPC skys the limit with juice. To be competive you must take as much as the next guy. So they must be 280 to be competitive.. most do not want that.

 

[Mischief]

That's a bit of an exageration, I haven't been to any regional NPC shows with 280 lb contestants, at least who did well. That's why there are weight classes. Often, if a shorter guy packs the same weight as a taller guy, he's got an advantage (provided similiar condition), but not always. Like I said, I have good friend, fully nat, who's won some NPCs in NorCal.

Anyone who suggests that Natural feds are FILLED with juicers, is insecure, and has never trained for any substantial time drug free (which is a mistake). I swear to God, normally I read posts with a grain of salt, but it gets REALLY frustrating to hear SO many people bear the mistaken belief that if someone is big, and lean, they must be taking steroids. NOT THE CASE. Many people with average to good genetics, can put on a lot of muscle and never even consider it. Sure, they can't do it in 12 weeks, not even close, but it can be done, and MANY MANY people do.

People need to worry less about speculating what everyone else is doing, fact is, you don't know, and in many cases you're probably wrong. Just focus on yourselves, if you're not natural, don't enter a natural show. There, now you can sleep at night, and you have done your part to make the world a better, more honest place. --And give people some fucking credit, steroids isn't the only way pack on muscle, ESPECIALLY in the amounts wer're talking about here.