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Torem vs Clomid vs Nolva
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None of the above. I can't decide which is worse.
Why dont you explaine to us how you think those products work and how they are going to help you.
clomid boosts your testosterone by helping HTPA, and nolva blocks estrogen which boosts the testosterone and I have heard Torem is more stronger at doing those 2 which is better for recovery
both clomid and nolva compete for the E receptor. E is used in the HPTA feedback so blocking the E receptor can make your HPTA think E is lower than it is thereby causing more test to be produces since the primary source of E in men is via aromatization of T.
However that doesnt answer the question I asked of how its actually going to help. Post cycle your andorgens are diminishing and going to basically nil since your testes are shut down. So, if your not producing T and you HPTA is already registering low T, how does blocking E, with the goal of making your HPTA think T is low, going to help? Your T is already in the tank and your system knows it.
This whole clomid/nolva raising T thing is true but everyone has applied the fact it raises test in normal people (not on cycle) or those with low natural test to those coming off cycle. As I already said, post cycle your body already knows your T is low so thats not the problem.
The problem is your testes havent been needed to do their job for weeks which in turn means your anterior pituitary gland hasnt been needed to do its job.
Thank you. I've been saying this for 15 years yet every month or so someone comes along and adamantly fights me on it with no other argument other than "that's what everyone says you should do."
Clomid and Nolva are outdated methods that never worked very well. But hey, some people won't get rid of their rabbits foot either.
Exactly what E are you blocking is the point. The primary source of E is T and since T is nil, E is also very low and your body is totally aware of that fact already.
E is also a required hormone, even in men, so when E is already horribly low you can also potentially be blocking it from doing its job.
An E of 12 is not very high and as I stated we do need some E. I also realize that multiple pathways are used by the HPTA for controlling hormones but dont for a second buy that E is as important as T in the feedback and control of T. There are lots of studies that show clomid/nolva help in hypogonadism in men, however those studies all seem to be done on men with low test, not men with virtually no testicular activity due to atrophy AND virtually no GnRH secretion production from the hypothalamus AND virtually no LH production from the pituitary. Hypogonadism and multiple organ atrophy are not the same thing.
Also, in every study I've ever read the therepy worked after months of usage -- a duration where the HPTA would recover on its own. Also, once treatment was stopped, whatever elevation in T there was dropped-- sometimes lower than before it was started.
12 is actually on the good/low side for e. Suppressing it more wold be bad. Plus, since Clomid is an estrogen itself , if there isn;t enough e present to "occupy" you can actually wind up with HIGHER e levels.
12 is actually on the good/low side for e. Suppressing it more wold be bad. Plus, since Clomid is an estrogen itself , if there isn;t enough e present to "occupy" you can actually wind up with HIGHER e levels.
I believe in giving the HPTA a little kickstart with HCG and then supporting the body to recover on its own. I experimented for years with various substances and finally settled on about 20 ingredients that were effective. Those ingredients are in UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE. Bottom line: they work.
davefromphilly
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I only come here to read and learn. I've never posted before. But I have to on this one.
I know this is an old post, but how do you sleep at night telling people not to use serms and instead use some herbal and over the counter horse shit?
The HCG will kickstart the testes, but there's nothing other than serms that are going to stop anyone from growing tits from estrogen rebound. And what about the people that were on aromatizing compounds and are left with an imbalance?
One of the ways (the main way) nil a and torem work, are allowing estrogen to flow through the body but not bind to any of the receptors that we don't want them to. Aka the E receptors in the breast.
You're risking people's health by trying to sell some product. Disgusting.
