Top Secret Info:

[Ross]

YOUR DIET ALONE will directly determine the results of your cycle!

If you wish to BULK--you must have a large calorie SURPLUS.

If you wish to CUT--you must have a calorie DEFECIT.

It doesn't matter WHICH STEROID you use! If you eat, you GROW. If you diet, you CUT.

It is a misconception that "Winny and VAR make you cut", or that "you can't cut on dbol or test".....SURE--certain compounds are BETTER SUITED for BULKING(drol,tren,nandrolone), while other WEAKER steroids that confer less of an anabolic effect can be utilized to preserve muscle while dieting. HOWEVER--you can BULK on VAR, and CUT on TEST. It is all about your DIET!

Alot of people are too concerned with WHAT DRUGS THEY WILL BE TAKING, but not concerned ENOUGH about their diet/training regimen. Drugs should only SUPPLELEMENT your efforts--not your efforts supplementing your drugs. Focus 1st and foremost on your DIET and your training routine, and then figure out your cycle, based on your goals.

Steroids are not miracle pills. Without proper nutrition(and knowledge of proper exercise), steroids are a waste of your time, money, energy, and health.

Just some insight....

 

[Themachine01]

Now that I have read this, are you going to have to kill me?

 

[brahma_bull]

and this is top secret info exactly how? common knowledge if you ask me, and a topic that has been covered over and over.

 

[Ozz2001]

Steroids are not miracle pills. Without proper nutrition(and knowledge of proper exercise), steroids are a waste of your time, money, energy, and health.


Well then all we need is a diet to look good then right? Cuz i look like your picture 365 days a year on or off..Hell i dont event have to eat right to look like that either..If i want to add more weight of course is have to eat more.I really dont believe that people event stick to a solid diet like they claim unless there competeing...Simple math,once you got it, you will always have it.Its not hard to maintain size and look,...Hell people in prison are huge and they dont event have a so called miracle diet there either..Bottom line you need to eat right but its only one small part of the key to geting bigger..People fail to realize that if you work hard all day and then lift at night thats a big load on your muscles and your might be getting like what? 5 6 hours a sleep maybe? So now you need tons of fuel to feed your body,you have very little time to let your muscles heal.Compared to me which i do nothing but workout and rest all day and eat.So i need about half of the fuel the worker does and i get twice the rest so ill grow faster! BB dont do nothing but lift eat and sleep too..So there is alot more factors then just what you posted as top secert! Everyones different fat people grow and lose different then skinny people do... Just my insight too

 

[brahma_bull]

Steroids are not miracle pills. Without proper nutrition(and knowledge of proper exercise), steroids are a waste of your time, money, energy, and health.


Well then all we need is a diet to look good then right? Cuz i look like your picture 365 days a year on or off..Hell i dont event have to eat right to look like that either..If i want to add more weight of course is have to eat more.I really dont believe that people event stick to a solid diet like they claim unless there competeing...Simple math,once you got it, you will always have it.Its not hard to maintain size and look,...Hell people in prison are huge and they dont event have a so called miracle diet there either..Bottom line you need to eat right but its only one small part of the key to geting bigger..People fail to realize that if you work hard all day and then lift at night thats a big load on your muscles and your might be getting like what? 5 6 hours a sleep maybe? So now you need tons of fuel to feed your body,you have very little time to let your muscles heal.Compared to me which i do nothing but workout and rest all day and eat.So i need about half of the fuel the worker does and i get twice the rest so ill grow faster! BB dont do nothing but lift eat and sleep too..So there is alot more factors then just what you posted as top secert! Everyones different fat people grow and lose different then skinny people do... Just my insight too

right on!

 

[chefbone]

IMO, the gear in the cycle is irrelavent(95% of the time). Meaning you can cut and bulk on any gear you chose to(95% of the time).
Diet is the key(100% of the time). I can think of two or three compounds that stand out as "cutters" and "bulkers". One is primo. I wouldn't use this if bulking. It has such a great effect on hardening and shape while in a low caloric state. Masteron is another I would only use for cutting because this is usually used during contest prep(which I do not do) to help vascularity and positive nitrogen balance. One more......deca. Wouldn't use it in a cutter. Gain way to much strength and water on it. My .02.

I posted this months ago. And I'm sure I'm not the first or the last to post this!!!

 

[nishnish]

and this is top secret info exactly how? common knowledge if you ask me, and a topic that has been covered over and over.

LOL

 

[michaeltt]

and this is top secret info exactly how? common knowledge if you ask me, and a topic that has been covered over and over.

 

[satchboogie]

and this is top secret info exactly how? common knowledge if you ask me, and a topic that has been covered over and over.

common knowledge indeed..
but the bro has a good point!

we have thousanda of threads on the anabolic board, and fewer less on the diet and training boards.

perhaps people should re-evaluate their diet/training before coming on the anabolic board.

 

[hammercurls]

so whats the secret?

 

[sparetire]

it's true that it's common knowledge, but sometimes the fact needs to be posted for those who can't get it through their head believing that the steroid itself will cut/bulk u.

 

[brahma_bull]

lmao, are you sniping me or him?

 

[brahma_bull]

LOL

OT but i love your avi nishnish, arnold is the man, wish i had a poster of that.

 

[brahma_bull]

common knowledge indeed..
but the bro has a good point!

we have thousanda of threads on the anabolic board, and fewer less on the diet and training boards.

perhaps people should re-evaluate their diet/training before coming on the anabolic board.

Good point satch, it seems no matter what the question is people seem to mainly post under this section of the forum. I for one wish there was a section of the forum for equipment and the like. How about an EF sponsor that sells gym equipment, that would rock. Elite discount code $*$&* you just saved $700 on a smith machine, lmao. This board really helped me re-evaluate my diet/training as well as my thoughts on jumping right into gear. Gonna wait awhile and get my shit in order and lean up first.
How about a big sticky that let's people know diet is the most important?

 

[Ross]

The fact is, it may SEEM like "common knowledge", but based on the number of PM's and emails I get, and the number of posts on this board, to most it is not. TONS of people are asking me which compound will give them this look, or that look, and I see TONS of posts inquiring about all the various steroid compounds that exist, but much fewer posts regarding the important stuff(Training, nutrition). Bodybuilding is ALL ABOUT NUTRITION. Chemicals will merely assist you in your goals.

I took the time to write this only because I think alot of people on many boards share this misconception.

 

[Ross]

Thus, "Top Secret Info:"....its the big secret that everyone should know.....

 

[warry]

Well, i am a dump one, and i know all those things you wrote and called top secret. Thats normal, cause it looks like everyone here is trying to copy and paste something they read somewhere, and called it top secret.

I guess this info is important but not as important as loads of other things, cause no matter how u abuse steroids, people will always think they r miracle pills and you cant change that, even on my opinion u need to work harder and eat better when ur on a cycle.

 

[marshallmadman]

This is a karma worthy post. Unfortunately, I must spread a little more around.

 

[Ozz2001]

The fact is, it may SEEM like "common knowledge", but based on the number of PM's and emails I get, and the number of posts on this board, to most it is not. TONS of people are asking me which compound will give them this look, or that look, and I see TONS of posts inquiring about all the various steroid compounds that exist, but much fewer posts regarding the important stuff(Training, nutrition). Bodybuilding is ALL ABOUT NUTRITION. Chemicals will merely assist you in your goals.

I took the time to write this only because I think alot of people on many boards share this misconception.

Well glad you shared it for the people who needed it..Maybe all the pm's are because you tell them too in your sig? Offering them help or maybe a sales booster only you will really know...But i dont think its because of your picture alone....Theres plenty of big studs here and there not swamped with pm's..Its what you say not what you look like bro...If i offer to help someone with a source in a post ill get 10 extra pm's too...

 

[Lupercal CATS]

Thus, "Top Secret Info:"....its the big secret that everyone should know.....

Main Entry: top secret
Function: adjective
1 : protected by a high degree of secrecy <a top secret weapon> <a top secret meeting>
2 a : containing or being information whose unauthorized disclosure could result in exceptionally grave danger to the nation <top secret messages> -- compare CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET b : of or relating to top secret documents <a top secret clearance>

You have just put information on the internet that could cause "exceptionally grave danger to the nation". Next time think before you give out top secret information.

 

[slat1]

If its common knowledge why do I see all these posts with guys using over 750mgs of test all the time? Most of the guys aren't even 200lbs. Seems to me a lot of people don't understand a proper bodybuilding diet!

 

[Ross]

If its common knowledge why do I see all these posts with guys using over 750mgs of test all the time? Most of the guys aren't even 200lbs. Seems to me a lot of people don't understand a proper bodybuilding diet!

Amen Brother!

I am not CLAIMING this to be anything exotic or special...THE NAME is a joke....it is VERY BASIC--DIET and exercise alone--not steroids--will determine your BODY COMPOSITION.

With DIET and EXERCISE alone, I put on almost 40lbs naturally. Ectomorphs, mesomorphs, and endomorphs ALL have their strengths--and it is very important to know them.

 

[Indy]

MODS, I think this needs moved to the diet and nutrition forum, or maybe even too the "This is common sense" forum, this is a waste of our time here, I dont know why you are trying so hard here, but you are certainly on my last nerve....

 

[Indy]

Well glad you shared it for the people who needed it..Maybe all the pm's are because you tell them too in your sig? Offering them help or maybe a sales booster only you will really know...But i dont think its because of your picture alone....Theres plenty of big studs here and there not swamped with pm's..Its what you say not what you look like bro...If i offer to help someone with a source in a post ill get 10 extra pm's too...

Very true, anyone with that in their sig, should have their own website to sell their services.

 

[Ross]

I am here only to share/recieve expereinces and information.

This is a GREAT forum.

 

[Little Boy]

Amen Brother!

I am not CLAIMING this to be anything exotic or special...THE NAME is a joke....it is VERY BASIC--DIET and exercise alone--not steroids--will determine your BODY COMPOSITION.

With DIET and EXERCISE alone, I put on almost 40lbs naturally. Ectomorphs, mesomorphs, and endomorphs ALL have their strengths--and it is very important to know them.

Would you mind not capitalizing every other word? You do it so often, it takes away the meaning of capitalizing whole words because of the frequency.

Otherwise, good thread.

 

[Ross]

Would you mind not capitalizing every other word? You do it so often, it takes away the meaning of capitalizing whole words because of the frequency.

Otherwise, good thread.

Sorry about the capitals. I was trying to place emphasis on certain points--as I feel that some people insist on being confrontational....

 

[wayneboard1]

Sorry about the capitals. I was trying to place emphasis on certain points--as I feel that some people insist on being confrontational....

Ross, I can tell by reading your posts that you are well versed in gear and quite knowledgable regarding the ins and outs of their application, and I don't think most people on here would disagree. I would also mention that the debate and exchange of ideas is how all of us learn and better ourselves. I have enjoyed seeing different sides of certain debates and even if it is a drug I would never use I appreciate the knowledge.

However, I think that I can speak for some of the members when I say it's in your delivery. You just joined in August, it is August 7th and you are spatting out info in a somewhat "omniscient" tone. It's like going to your favorite steakhouse and ordering the biggest baddest steak they have only to have it delivered on a trashcan lid. The steak (your knowledge and experience) are being delivered on a dirty trashcan lid (intense somewhat agressive "preachy" tone). I think your information and advice is missed because of the tone it seems to have.

You have been very helpful to me in a few pm's and I suspect there are other members here that you have helped in your short time here already. Your knowledge can be a very valuable asset to this board and it's members. However, I would imagine if you didn't capitalize so many words and not start off your PM's with "you are WRONG" or "100% incorrect" then people would take it better. Some people just need to thicken up their skin a little bit, but on the flipside if you want to share your knowledge and help other BB enthusiasts better themselves, it's all in how your market that info.

 

[brahma_bull]

If its common knowledge why do I see all these posts with guys using over 750mgs of test all the time? Most of the guys aren't even 200lbs. Seems to me a lot of people don't understand a proper bodybuilding diet!

It's common knowledge for anyone that takes the time to properly research exercise in general, doesn't matter wether it's bb'ing or whatever. I would guess the people you are talking about that are running gear that high aren't really putting in the time and effort to truly understand how crucial diet is, and they deserve what they get.

 

[Ross]

Ross, I can tell by reading your posts that you are well versed in gear and quite knowledgable regarding the ins and outs of their application, and I don't think most people on here would disagree. I would also mention that the debate and exchange of ideas is how all of us learn and better ourselves. I have enjoyed seeing different sides of certain debates and even if it is a drug I would never use I appreciate the knowledge.

However, I think that I can speak for some of the members when I say it's in your delivery. You just joined in August, it is August 7th and you are spatting out info in a somewhat "omniscient" tone. It's like going to your favorite steakhouse and ordering the biggest baddest steak they have only to have it delivered on a trashcan lid. The steak (your knowledge and experience) are being delivered on a dirty trashcan lid (intense somewhat agressive "preachy" tone). I think your information and advice is missed because of the tone it seems to have.

You have been very helpful to me in a few pm's and I suspect there are other members here that you have helped in your short time here already. Your knowledge can be a very valuable asset to this board and it's members. However, I would imagine if you didn't capitalize so many words and not start off your PM's with "you are WRONG" or "100% incorrect" then people would take it better. Some people just need to thicken up their skin a little bit, but on the flipside if you want to share your knowledge and help other BB enthusiasts better themselves, it's all in how your market that info.

AUGUST **2004**

I have been a member for ONE year.

 

[Indy]

Ross, I can tell by reading your posts that you are well versed in gear and quite knowledgable regarding the ins and outs of their application, and I don't think most people on here would disagree. I would also mention that the debate and exchange of ideas is how all of us learn and better ourselves. I have enjoyed seeing different sides of certain debates and even if it is a drug I would never use I appreciate the knowledge.

However, I think that I can speak for some of the members when I say it's in your delivery. You just joined in August, it is August 7th and you are spatting out info in a somewhat "omniscient" tone. It's like going to your favorite steakhouse and ordering the biggest baddest steak they have only to have it delivered on a trashcan lid. The steak (your knowledge and experience) are being delivered on a dirty trashcan lid (intense somewhat agressive "preachy" tone). I think your information and advice is missed because of the tone it seems to have.

You have been very helpful to me in a few pm's and I suspect there are other members here that you have helped in your short time here already. Your knowledge can be a very valuable asset to this board and it's members. However, I would imagine if you didn't capitalize so many words and not start off your PM's with "you are WRONG" or "100% incorrect" then people would take it better. Some people just need to thicken up their skin a little bit, but on the flipside if you want to share your knowledge and help other BB enthusiasts better themselves, it's all in how your market that info.

Well said, K to you, much more diplomatic than I put, but that's what I meant, he's rough and at times downright obnoxious pushing things down people's throats. I dont doubt his abilities, but the delivery method BLOWS.

 

[Indy]

If its common knowledge why do I see all these posts with guys using over 750mgs of test all the time? Most of the guys aren't even 200lbs. Seems to me a lot of people don't understand a proper bodybuilding diet!

It's not that people dont understand it plain and simple, they just want that magic potion to make them 7%BF and 75lbs heavier with the strength of an Ox. Unfortunately steriods is the delivery of that myth, and many will have to learn the hard way. So until someone finds a magic lamp to rub on, better put the diet in check and not expect a pill or injection to perform the magic, it's just an enhancement tool for those ready for it.

 

[gymratforlife]

It's not that people dont understand it plain and simple, they just want that magic potion to make them 7%BF and 75lbs heavier with the strength of an Ox. Unfortunately steriods is the delivery of that myth, and many will have to learn the hard way. So until someone finds a magic lamp to rub on, better put the diet in check and not expect a pill or injection to perform the magic, it's just an enhancement tool for those ready for it.

LOL damn I thought I was going to find a link to Ronie Colemans training/diet and anabolic regiment in here.

 

[Indy]

LOL damn I thought I was going to find a link to Ronie Colemans training/diet and anabolic regiment in here.

Nope just PM me your address and I will mail you the magic lamp when I am done with it here.......(just gotta finish fixing the wife up)


she's going to kill me for that one

 

[wayneboard1]

AUGUST **2004**

I have been a member for ONE year.

then I stand CORRECTED. PLEASE omit that POINT I made in my PREVIOUS post, AND focus on the REST of my post as I FEEL it is a VERY vaild POST.

yOU ArE WelCOmE.

 

[Indy]

then I stand CORRECTED. PLEASE omit that POINT I made in my PREVIOUS post, AND focus on the REST of my post as I FEEL it is a VERY vaild POST.

yOU ArE WelCOmE.

wayne,

I AGREE with your POST, but cause of inconsitincies in your post, I must conclude it is COMPLETELY INCORRECT. You are closeminded and an indiot, you should email me so I can tell you how to do EVERYTHING in your regimine



Sorry couldn't resist.. I do AGREE with your post 100% but since he dont listen and likes disrespecting people, I guess my ignore list will just grow by another tonight...

 

[wayneboard1]

wayne,

I AGREE with your POST, but cause of inconsitincies in your post, I must conclude it is COMPLETELY INCORRECT. You are closeminded and an indiot, you should email me so I can tell you how to do EVERYTHING in your regimine



Sorry couldn't resist.. I do AGREE with your post 100% but since he dont listen and likes disrespecting people, I guess my ignore list will just grow by another tonight...

HoW DaRe YoU TaLk tO Me LiKe tHaT?!

LOL...man typing like that is gonna set off a migraine. I did have a few questions however but rather than email you, I'll just ask here.

1) Can I drink Winny?

2) I did my first glute injection last night and man my rectum STINGS! How do you do this and will aspirating help?

 

[Ross]

LOLOL...you guys...

Maybe I can come off agressive--I am an agressive guy, what can I say? LOL, I get passionate, especially about bodybuilding.

Im sorry if I came off rude. You both make valid points regarding the way I present my ideas. i will try to be less condescending, as that is not my intention at all.

Keep the knowledge flowin..

Pics on my TBOL thread BTW...

 

[wayneboard1]

LOLOL...you guys...

Maybe I can come off agressive--I am an agressive guy, what can I say? LOL, I get passionate, especially about bodybuilding.

Im sorry if I came off rude. You both make valid points regarding the way I present my ideas. i will try to be less condescending, as that is not my intention at all.

Keep the knowledge flowin..

Pics on my TBOL thread BTW...

GREAT reply and good attitude Ross. I did not mean any disrespect and thanks for being open to the post I made. K to you.

 

[Little Boy]

GREAT reply and good attitude Ross. I did not mean any disrespect and thanks for being open to the post I made. K to you.

THANKS for being CIVIL about this. LETS HOPE things are GOOD for now ON.

 

[borg4902]

Diet is key, on or off gear. Personally I see when a lot of people get off they use it as an excuse to get loaded or eat like shit, but imo its more important when off since you have no added assistance. I'll eat drink and fuck as clean as i can for as long as i can. Thats a promice to you all!

 

[brahma_bull]

amen!

 

[Indy]

LOLOL...you guys...

Maybe I can come off agressive--I am an agressive guy, what can I say? LOL, I get passionate, especially about bodybuilding.

Im sorry if I came off rude. You both make valid points regarding the way I present my ideas. i will try to be less condescending, as that is not my intention at all.

Keep the knowledge flowin..

Pics on my TBOL thread BTW...

That's fantastic and that's all we ask, respect for everyone.

thanks bro !!

 

[Indy]

HoW DaRe YoU TaLk tO Me LiKe tHaT?!

LOL...man typing like that is gonna set off a migraine. I did have a few questions however but rather than email you, I'll just ask here.

1) Can I drink Winny?

2) I did my first glute injection last night and man my rectum STINGS! How do you do this and will aspirating help?

Yea bro you can drink winny, just shoot the correct amount into your protein shake, you'll never know it's there. As far as the rectum, damn dude, I keep the needle as far from that place as possible Never heard of that, I do all my glute shots myself, in front of a mirror, more the side to make sure I steer far clear of the sciatic nerve.

 

[wayneboard1]

Yea bro you can drink winny, just shoot the correct amount into your protein shake, you'll never know it's there. As far as the rectum, damn dude, I keep the needle as far from that place as possible Never heard of that, I do all my glute shots myself, in front of a mirror, more the side to make sure I steer far clear of the sciatic nerve.

uuuuummmmmm......you do know I was kidding right? LOL Your answer was halfway helpful and thats not like you.

 

[Indy]

uuuuummmmmm......you do know I was kidding right? LOL Your answer was halfway helpful and thats not like you.

Not like me, take a leap dude !! I'm pretty tired laying in bed on the laptop and didn't realize you were messing with me until I pressed the "post" button. At least it shows my helpful and respectul side

 

[wayneboard1]

Not like me, take a leap dude !! I'm pretty tired laying in bed on the laptop and didn't realize you were messing with me until I pressed the "post" button. At least it shows my helpful and respectul side

Thats true.....just checking and if I didn't have to pass around some more dadgum Karma I would give it to you. LOL......I said give it to you.

 

[Indy]

Thats true.....just checking and if I didn't have to pass around some more dadgum Karma I would give it to you. LOL......I said give it to you.

You got some SERIOUS issues my man !!

 

[wayneboard1]

You got some SERIOUS issues my man !!

Well, you would not be the first one to tell me that!!! LOL Oh well, at least life is fun even if I am a bit "special".

 

[bigrand]

Damn, yall are on this guys ass! I kinda noticed the delivery too in one of our discussions before, but if your adamant about something, sometimes it happens.........hes not like the way Animal used to be.....he was hilarious about his delivery, although a cool bro when it came down to it.

 

[Ross]

WOW!!! I posted this over 4 years ago and still 10000% true!!

HUUGE BUMP!!

 

[hesnobradpitt]

I miss wayne good kiwi.

Brad.

 

[Ross]

Yea lots of OLD members in this one

 

[phillypaone]

sounded like a bunch of sensitive broads to me.

 

[Ross]

sounded like a bunch of sensitive broads to me.

I AGREE LOL!

 

[Wrongun]

WOW!!! I posted this over 4 years ago and still 10000% true!!

HUUGE BUMP!!

August 2005 - April 2008 is NOT 4 years but agree your original comment about nutrition does stand the test of time as it will continue to do so even when it is 4 years

Nutrition is more important than any AAS IMHO

Wrongun!

 

[GUARDIAN]

August 2005 - April 2008 is NOT 4 years but agree your original comment about nutrition does stand the test of time as it will continue to do so even when it is 4 years

Nutrition is more important than any AAS IMHO

Wrongun!

took me alot of years to figure that out.

 

[Wrongun]

took me alot of years to figure that out.

Bro we have all done it especially 15 years ago or more when you simply compensated for your lack of food buy increasing the dosage. Short term yes gave a result but nit long term. Far more knowledge available these days and also i would say supps to assist in the nutrition stakes

Wrongun!

 

[georgie24]

August 2005 - April 2008 is NOT 4 years but agree your original comment about nutrition does stand the test of time as it will continue to do so even when it is 4 years

Nutrition is more important than any AAS IMHO

Wrongun!

( in general )

 

[Big_BK]

lol @ rosslovesmoney as the poster.

 

[GUARDIAN]

lol @ rosslovesmoney as the poster.

i caught that as well but i didnt want to call it out and look like i was causing trouble.....lol