too young for gear

[greekhookup]

i would just like to say somthing that i see on the boards...i have a lot of experience with gear and i usuaslly dont post alot on the boards mainly just reading on what poeple thoughts are and such things like that but one thing that bothers me is that i get sick of this "too young to do steroids" crap...kids are going to do steroids no matter what any of us say...ive been doing them since i was 17 the only exception is that my trainer is a two time mr. ohio and IFBB champion and all that good stuff, so he could tell me what to do with respect to blood work and PCT so that i wouldnt screw myself up at such a yound age.....what my point is, is that instead of just telling kids they are too young to do AS is only going to make them wonder what its like to be big and muscular and have all the ladies....we create this wonder world that only 30 year olds and up can enjoy and this only entices the young ones to experiment....so why dont we just give them the advice that we all have acquired and give it to them because if they are going to use gear, which they will, then atleast have them use it the right way......and all you smartasses on here just keep your comments to yourself becasue you and i both know that you used to be in the exact same position they are in now so lower you dosage of test. and get off your fucking ego trips...by the way, i have respect for the ones that give these youngs guys advice without being assholes

 

[badslinky]

I agree with you but it is atleast worth going through the usual "your too young"speech just because if it makes one kid wait its worth it. But along with giving them the speech you might as well tell them how to do it right for the other 99 out of 100 that wont wait.

 

[badslinky]

I will be the first to admit though my first time using I didnt it the wrong way, no pct, and way to young.

 

[yomama]

For all I know I benefited from steroids, maybe the higher estrogen in my system helped me outgrow everyone in my family. And everyone in my family is short, even my cuzins.

 

[silverbackn]

Most kids won't listen to us, you're right. I do think it is better to educate them about how to do it right, then to let them do it blind. But at the same time, I don't think you should encourage uneducated people who aren't adjusted enough to deal with the powerful effects of steroids, they are setting themselves up for abuse. I was once in "his" shoes and I waited until I was 23 and had 5 or 6 years of solid training under my belt. I am 6'1 and weighed 240 pounds before I ever touched a drug. I am very thankful for that. You cannot build a physique on drugs alone. It's not that any of us are arrogant or think we are better, we are genuinely trying to help the uninformed kid who doesn't have a clue about training or eating, and sure as hell doesn't know anything about drugs. It becomes that the drugs are the most important thing. Perspective on what's important in life gets lost.

 

[greekhookup]

this is good feedback...i totally agree with all of you....i had been lifting since i was in 6th grade which is 12 years old and i lifted religiously, 4 days a week all throughout highschool then when i was 17 i started using gear...the only kid in the highschool....i dont think you ngkids should use them at all but i dont think the slanderous remarks should be thrown at them...these kids are in highschool and college and competition in the weightroom is huge during those years....we all have been through it...i just get sick of reading all this crap about how much some people know on these boards and its all a front....some poeple have all this karmic power and post status and think they are a legit Dr. in the field of AS....these boards are here to educate not to make people feel like shit just because they dont know everything there is to know about AS...and these are the same guys that most likely do curls for an hour bench for an hour and then go home while their legs look like pencils for the rest of their life... personally i feel people should live by the philosophy of:

Great Diet + intense workouts = incredible results (3-5 years for achievement)

incredible results + great diet + AS = unbelievable results (occurs after those 5 Yrs.)

you must get those solid years down first to build your base...which are early 20's when you testosterone is overflowing, after about age 25 then its time to experiement

ive been in the game for years and im still learning new stuff everyday

 

[Judo Tom]

you have to understand that the board can not condone that i think people in that situation should turn to pm's or email or something else but we cant openly discuss cycles for 13 year olds or 17 year olds and as a rule they try to discourage the use by people under 25ish we want the board to stay nice and friendly and not be completely looked down upon

the same way we wont talk about rec drugs it has no place here where not gonna say use them responsibly we are going to say dont use them

there is sooooooo much shit portrayed by the media to make roids look horrible that we dont need kids getting health problems and making things worse

i dont judge people one way or the next but the board can not support that type of behavior.. its just not an option

 

[LoneTree]

Just because it sounds like a 'lecture', we should not refrain from giving the right advise.
You know, I know, and everyone else knows that we do not know what would be the long term effect of using gear at such a young age; heck, we don't even know what would be the long term side effects of doing gear as adults.
I am doing it, and I am keeping in my mind the possibility that I may be exposing myself to some long term problems.
But I am old enough to make that judgement that I am willing to take that risk.
If everyone else is doing it, and plancing himself at risk, does not mean that I also have to do it.
If young people work hard enough, they can get the result that they would get with gear.

 

[oatsandgrains]

You cannot build a physique on drugs alone..

Of coarse not! You need to go to the gym too. Duhhh

 

[genarr3]

Because 17 is too young. If the child in question is too thick headed to listen to people that know better then he as far as I'm concerned he can fuck himself up without my help. I don't know the young chap and really don't care what he does to his hormonal system if he chooses not to listen to people more knowledgeable then himself.
I'm a strong believer in natural selection.

 

[UA_Iron]

For all I know I benefited from steroids, maybe the higher estrogen in my system helped me outgrow everyone in my family. And everyone in my family is short, even my cuzins.

its the estrogen that causes the premature closing of the growth plates, duh.

 

[Mr. Burns]

I would rather kids do them outside of highschool. We already have enough media attention. And people should have told these young guns to get more research instead of growing up. They had poor cycle choices, even I have had poor cycle choices, but it was mainly a getting ripped off factor that made those choices come about, and yes I was eager to see what it was all about. The weight thing can be an issue too, but some people may just not be able to put on the mass like other genetically challenged people, such as my ectomorphic self.

 

[greekhookup]

i just want to make sure that everyone knows that i think teenagers are too young but i think we should steer them in the right direction especially if they are boneheaded...and eventually they hopefully will find out that they will wish they had waited until their later years

 

[StereOMaN]

50% -Right 50% -Wrong.
Yes we need to educate with as much good information to whomever wishes. This board (with a few exceptions of legality issues) is not about sensoring. So tell them what they want to know or the curious little buggers could seriously F themselves up. Do not flame them telling them too young. If that won't patronize them, and encourage them I don't know what will. But the flip side to that is we can tell them WHY they are too young, and should. Give them information not a slap on the wrist because they did somthing right, they came here first: to learn. I got talked down to when I was curious and seventeen, no one gave me good reasons not to, just: no! bad baby! I imagined every one of those peoples eyeballs on the right cheek of my ass when I first pushed that pin in. Now when my family gets together I'm noticably shorter than everyone else except my mom, with a few other problems I wont share and much more serious ones to come with age. I wish someone gave me good info. Too late now.

 

[Creepusmaximus]

All I have to say is what I told a 17 year old who asked me how to get big and this was my answer. Eat a bunch of protien and calories(in his case about 3500 a day would work). Drink a about a gallon of water a day. Use no extra anything, you don't need it and work on your core lifts. End result was he gained about 25 lbs in a year. Not much of it fat. Why on earth would you fool with drugs if you can get results like that?

 

[silverbackn]

All I have to say is what I told a 17 year old who asked me how to get big and this was my answer. Eat a bunch of protien and calories(in his case about 3500 a day would work). Drink a about a gallon of water a day. Use no extra anything, you don't need it and work on your core lifts. End result was he gained about 25 lbs in a year. Not much of it fat. Why on earth would you fool with drugs if you can get results like that?

That's so true man. When you're that age you have a huge surge in hormone levels, take advantage of it! If kids that age would just eat! The thing is most of them are so hungry to get bigger they would eat cow shit if you told them they would grow. They usually listen to big guys because they are impressionable.

 

[yomama]

its the estrogen that causes the premature closing of the growth plates, duh.

Too much estrogen causes premature closing of the plates. Estrogen is responsible for growth along with GH.