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When people look to construct a cycle nowadays they try and make science out of something that doesn’t need to be too complicated. I want to add winstrol, anavar, dianabol, test enanthate, deca or eq followed by primo and fina............ We have heard it all before. The reason people reach a plateau is because of a number of factors (diet, training, consistency etc) but once all have been ruled a person comes to realize there natural testosterone production isn’t high enough to keep on to the remaining muscle as well as adding new muscle. What I am about to discuss is only my opinion of the subject of cycling and I am not recommending that anyone use anabolic steroids if they are illegal in your country. I am trying not to get too scientific here and to keep the jargon simple.
When designing a cycle there are two basic ways that anabolic androgenic steroids work and when designing one from each of the modes should be used, for a synergy.
One mode of action: Strong affinity for the androgen receptor, steroids such as primobolan, eq, deca all fall into this category. Directly helping to increase protein synthesis and in turn more aminos forming new muscle tissue.
Other modes of action: steroids can also have a weak binding affinity to the androgen receptor and instead work through non ar mediated pathways. Steroids that fall into this category include anadrol, dianabol and winstrol.
Now by mixing one of each you are adding new muscle in two different ways, which would be more beneficial for anyone wishing to increase weight, or help to hold on to muscle while burning body fat.
So this is why there was the classic deca/dbol stack in which the guru himself said if you don’t grow on this you wont grow on anything. The problem with this is that nandrolone is not common in the body and flooding it with this can have or bring about a number of side effects that cannot easily be controlled. I’m not going to get in to a deca debate right now because this wasn’t the aim of the article.
Wouldn’t it be great if we could find a single steroid that works by both means, ar and non ar mediated effects. Well we can and testosterone is its name. There is another but testosterone can be used for longer periods of time and is safer to the body. So why do we stack when we have one steroid that can do both things? You want a cycle that is simple, very cheap and cost effective then testosterone would be the one. After all if we are producing it naturally and growing and then we don’t have enough to further grow, increasing test would cause a new burst of growth.
But they say testosterone is dangerous for a newbie, but they said testosterone would cause gyno and water retention and most of the gains from it are not solid. Lets see how sides occur when using testosterone.
>Increase in test leads to increase in estrogen conversion, which leads to water retention, gyno and female pattern fat distribution.
Ok simple we prevent the conversion from testosterone to estrogen. This is done by arimidex / liquidex which prevents the conversion of testosterone to estrogen via the enzyme aromatase
>Prostate and hair problems due to increase in DHT. By using finasteride we can prevent this conversion and thus not have to worry about prostate and hair loss problems related to DHT
The point with both arimidex and dht is that you must ensure you use sufficient doses of each.
>They say that when you stop testosterone you lose a lot of the gains made. This is not only the case with testosterone; it is the problem with any steroid that causes water retention. The more water you are holding the more water you will drop when stopping and thus the artificial losses fool people. However by using arimidex we are preventing excess water retention and thus you will only have the option of adding quality muscle.
People often ask what dose to use, how long to use it for, what gains will I make............This is a very individual thing and no two people are the same when it comes to talking about steroid use. Some may grow off 250mgs of testosterone / week and others may not get anything off it. The truth is everyone can see results on testosterone; it is mainly dose dependent. Having tried both higher and lower doses I am going to be sticking between 250 and 750mgs / week and would run between 6-10 weeks depending on which ester is being used. There comes a point when using more only intensifies the side effects (namely acne, increase in blood pressure and so on)
It is going to be the case that when you stop the testosterone that your natural production would have been inhibited and you are going to have to try and restart this as soon as possible in order to minimize losses. This is the case with any steroid not only testosterone.
Testosterone can either be raw (the case with suspension) or attached to an ester the most common of which are:
propionate,
phenlypropionate
cypionate
enanthate
decanoate
If we have 100mgs/ml of testosterone it is not 100% because in that concentration is the mollcular weight of the ester taking up space. The longer the ester the more weight it takes up and the less raw testosterone you are using. Being longer will also take longer to start showing results and improvements and also take longer to leave the system.
Decanoate, what is found in sustanon and omnadren as well as deca is the longest ester to use (apart from undecylenate found in eq) and is the one that will most likely to cause the greatest crashes. The exact time to start clomid is not known and the higher the dose used the longer the weight should be. For this reason I will only be using propionate and enanthate/cypionate in future cycles. There is a lot of outdated information on the internet and for this reason you will get a lot of people just shouting out incorrect information feeling it to be accurate.
Testosterone is Testosterone is Testosterone and any testosterone will aromatise so sustanon will not cause less bloat or less sides than enanthate. This is a myth.
I guess I have explained my point; testosterone really is best. Work with it and build up around it but never leave it out.
>Can test be used in a cutting cycle?
YES
>Can test be used in a bulking cycle?
YES
Think diet don’t Think drug
Peace
When designing a cycle there are two basic ways that anabolic androgenic steroids work and when designing one from each of the modes should be used, for a synergy.
One mode of action: Strong affinity for the androgen receptor, steroids such as primobolan, eq, deca all fall into this category. Directly helping to increase protein synthesis and in turn more aminos forming new muscle tissue.
Other modes of action: steroids can also have a weak binding affinity to the androgen receptor and instead work through non ar mediated pathways. Steroids that fall into this category include anadrol, dianabol and winstrol.
Now by mixing one of each you are adding new muscle in two different ways, which would be more beneficial for anyone wishing to increase weight, or help to hold on to muscle while burning body fat.
So this is why there was the classic deca/dbol stack in which the guru himself said if you don’t grow on this you wont grow on anything. The problem with this is that nandrolone is not common in the body and flooding it with this can have or bring about a number of side effects that cannot easily be controlled. I’m not going to get in to a deca debate right now because this wasn’t the aim of the article.
Wouldn’t it be great if we could find a single steroid that works by both means, ar and non ar mediated effects. Well we can and testosterone is its name. There is another but testosterone can be used for longer periods of time and is safer to the body. So why do we stack when we have one steroid that can do both things? You want a cycle that is simple, very cheap and cost effective then testosterone would be the one. After all if we are producing it naturally and growing and then we don’t have enough to further grow, increasing test would cause a new burst of growth.
But they say testosterone is dangerous for a newbie, but they said testosterone would cause gyno and water retention and most of the gains from it are not solid. Lets see how sides occur when using testosterone.
>Increase in test leads to increase in estrogen conversion, which leads to water retention, gyno and female pattern fat distribution.
Ok simple we prevent the conversion from testosterone to estrogen. This is done by arimidex / liquidex which prevents the conversion of testosterone to estrogen via the enzyme aromatase
>Prostate and hair problems due to increase in DHT. By using finasteride we can prevent this conversion and thus not have to worry about prostate and hair loss problems related to DHT
The point with both arimidex and dht is that you must ensure you use sufficient doses of each.
>They say that when you stop testosterone you lose a lot of the gains made. This is not only the case with testosterone; it is the problem with any steroid that causes water retention. The more water you are holding the more water you will drop when stopping and thus the artificial losses fool people. However by using arimidex we are preventing excess water retention and thus you will only have the option of adding quality muscle.
People often ask what dose to use, how long to use it for, what gains will I make............This is a very individual thing and no two people are the same when it comes to talking about steroid use. Some may grow off 250mgs of testosterone / week and others may not get anything off it. The truth is everyone can see results on testosterone; it is mainly dose dependent. Having tried both higher and lower doses I am going to be sticking between 250 and 750mgs / week and would run between 6-10 weeks depending on which ester is being used. There comes a point when using more only intensifies the side effects (namely acne, increase in blood pressure and so on)
It is going to be the case that when you stop the testosterone that your natural production would have been inhibited and you are going to have to try and restart this as soon as possible in order to minimize losses. This is the case with any steroid not only testosterone.
Testosterone can either be raw (the case with suspension) or attached to an ester the most common of which are:
propionate,
phenlypropionate
cypionate
enanthate
decanoate
If we have 100mgs/ml of testosterone it is not 100% because in that concentration is the mollcular weight of the ester taking up space. The longer the ester the more weight it takes up and the less raw testosterone you are using. Being longer will also take longer to start showing results and improvements and also take longer to leave the system.
Decanoate, what is found in sustanon and omnadren as well as deca is the longest ester to use (apart from undecylenate found in eq) and is the one that will most likely to cause the greatest crashes. The exact time to start clomid is not known and the higher the dose used the longer the weight should be. For this reason I will only be using propionate and enanthate/cypionate in future cycles. There is a lot of outdated information on the internet and for this reason you will get a lot of people just shouting out incorrect information feeling it to be accurate.
Testosterone is Testosterone is Testosterone and any testosterone will aromatise so sustanon will not cause less bloat or less sides than enanthate. This is a myth.
I guess I have explained my point; testosterone really is best. Work with it and build up around it but never leave it out.
>Can test be used in a cutting cycle?
YES
>Can test be used in a bulking cycle?
YES
Think diet don’t Think drug
Peace
