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capnnoway

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IMO I think most guys take too much protein... Your body can only absorb so much and you get a lot just from foods that you eat.

I have even emailed Designer Protein... they say 1 - 2 scoops is the most anyone should take per day.
I don't think taking more will hurt you AND its not that expensive, so maybe its better to be safe than sorry and drink 5 lbs a week.
 
O.K., well you go right ahead & listen to that 2 scoop a day & see where it gets you in the end. Sure you didn't call Kellogs about raisin brand?:D If you only weight like a buck 50 or something I could see you getting your protein form foods but, when you weight 150+ it'd be awefully hard & you need to take in fast absorbing protien after your workout. Maybe we do over do it a bit but, in general I'd have to say it's been proven time & time again that without the proper amount of protien you are not going to get equal gains. Your body absorbs more while on cycle & in either case on or off, you do not know for sure exactly how much your body uses & Designer Protien sure as the hell doesn't know how much is good for each person. Just my $.02
 
supertech69
I agree, you do need fast absorbing protein right after the workout and you do need more when on a cycle.

But I have been reading about guys in here saying they take spend $1500 a month on protein powder... that's a lot!
 
$1500 a month on protien is certainly nuts! They are using waaaaay too much protien powder & even still for that kinda money they are buying some expensive shit on top of buying a lot. I'd love to see how they look, I'd bet that $1500 that it's not real good! Pissing it away
 
Anyone ever hear of food???

I used to be a protein powder abuser, but I have found that lean fish, steak, chicken, turkey is just a better option. I suck down some powder after a work-out, but other than an occasional quick snack I try to keep the protein powders to a minimum.

I still get between 375-425 grams a day, and at 215 lbs. That seems to be quite enough
 
Re: Anyone ever hear of food???

The_Eviscerator said:
I used to be a protein powder abuser, but I have found that lean fish, steak, chicken, turkey is just a better option. I suck down some powder after a work-out, but other than an occasional quick snack I try to keep the protein powders to a minimum.

I still get between 375-425 grams a day, and at 215 lbs. That seems to be quite enough
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Good man. I drink 1...at the max 2 shakes per day. The rest of my protein comes from tuna, chicken, and beef.
 
capnnoway said:
IMO I think most guys take too much protein... Your body can only absorb so much and you get a lot just from foods that you eat.

I have even emailed Designer Protein... they say 1 - 2 scoops is the most anyone should take per day.
I don't think taking more will hurt you AND its not that expensive, so maybe its better to be safe than sorry and drink 5 lbs a week.
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I'd have to agree with him. I read somewhere that the body can't absorb more than 40gm at one sitting (or meal). The rest is just pissed away. Times that by 7 or 8 meals (max) and you get 280 to 320 grams per day... If you can't grow with that much protein then just go visit your gynecologist!

:rainbow:
 
Some of you guys confuse me.... 2g's per lb? If you weigh around 300 pounds thats 600 g's of protein... do I hear Kidney Stones? Personally I think 1.5 is enough.... I weigh 170 and I eat about 200g per day... Thats about 1.2g for me... and that seems to be enough... But I do hear you guys when youre talking about how it is harder to meet the requirements from food when you weigh like 200+.... but DAMN 400-600g a protein a day is hard on the kidneys
 
quartermiler said:
Some of you guys confuse me.... 2g's per lb? If you weigh around 300 pounds thats 600 g's of protein... do I hear Kidney Stones? Personally I think 1.5 is enough.... I weigh 170 and I eat about 200g per day... Thats about 1.2g for me... and that seems to be enough... But I do hear you guys when youre talking about how it is harder to meet the requirements from food when you weigh like 200+.... but DAMN 400-600g a protein a day is hard on the kidneys
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Actually it is 1.5 to 2 for Lean Body Mass. Since you are probably not 170 pounds at 0% body fat you are probably closer to the recommended 1.5 grams.
 
um

Isnt the saying you cant absorb more than 40 grams of protein at once an "urban legend"?

I mean the ol' school pros and some of today eat like 100 grams in a sitting and get huge. I make some of my best gains eating at least 100 grams a sitting for only 4 meals a day.

Especially if you are on anabolics and training hard, your body will use every last bit of protein.

I don't think our ancestors,who had to deal with famine and hunting developed bodies that can only digest 40 grams of protein. That just doesn't make sense. Sometimes they might have gorged on 150 grams of protein in one sitting and I bet the body used every last drop, especially if it has been one day since your last meal. Same for us today, if we are tearing down muscle the body will use everything it has to build it back up, especially with anabolic use.
 
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OAKBOX said:


I'd have to agree with him. I read somewhere that the body can't absorb more than 40gm at one sitting (or meal). The rest is just pissed away. Times that by 7 or 8 meals (max) and you get 280 to 320 grams per day... If you can't grow with that much protein then just go visit your gynecologist!

:rainbow:
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That's simply an estimation & it doens't take into concideration chemicals that enhance the absorpton potential & rate. I weigh 245 & I can tell a difference when I'm down below 300g of protein. I've tried this method & it didn't work real well, bumped it back up to around 400 & all is good! So, the queston is, do you want to go against the popular opinion & take it upon yourself to eat less protien risking not gaining those few extra pounds that you could have? Or just go with what has been adopted by experienced bodybuilders and get the most out of your gear & hard work?
 
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me2dammit said:
Isnt the saying you cant absorb more than 40 grams of protein at once an "urban legend"?

I mean the ol' school pros and some of today eat like 100 grams in a sitting and get huge. I make some of my best gains eating at least 100 grams a sitting for only 4 meals a day.

Especially if you are on anabolics and training hard, your body will use every last bit of protein.

I don't think our ancestors,who had to deal with famine and hunting developed bodies that can only digest 40 grams of protein. That just doesn't make sense. Sometimes they might have gorged on 150 grams of protein in one sitting and I bet the body used every last drop, especially if it has been one day since your last meal. Same for us today, if we are tearing down muscle the body will use everything it has to build it back up, especially with anabolic use.
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I believe how much protein you can absord at one sitting is all individual.
 
The Almighty also believes that shoving a 2 year old rooster down his pants will give him magical powers.

I eat about 2g/lb. Let me tell you something, on cycle, if you can't use ALL of that protein then you suck somethin' fierce. I'm telling you to try a bit over 2g/lb on your next cycle and keep eating that amount for a while after you come off. Your shit will be completely different and you will know that your body cannot use all of that protein without gear. I'm serious. I go by my own excrement and it works wonders for me. My excrement is never wrong.
 
Nathan said:
The Almighty also believes that shoving a 2 year old rooster down his pants will give him magical powers.

I eat about 2g/lb. Let me tell you something, on cycle, if you can't use ALL of that protein then you suck somethin' fierce. I'm telling you to try a bit over 2g/lb on your next cycle and keep eating that amount for a while after you come off. Your shit will be completely different and you will know that your body cannot use all of that protein without gear. I'm serious. I go by my own excrement and it works wonders for me. My excrement is never wrong.
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As odd & as sick as that sounds, you are absolutely correct Nathan. When I'm not on I'm on the john like 3 times a day when I am on it's like a once daily! Nathan goes to his excrement for advice like others go to psychic friends network! :FRlol:
 
What the hell? $1500 a month for protein powder??? Please tell me that's a typo.

let's say a 5lb container costs $50 (I pay $25). $1500 divided by $50 = 30. There is approx. 30 days in a month, so what that means is that they're consuming a 5-pound bucket of protein a day? -I don't think so!
 
Nathan said:
I'm serious. I go by my own excrement and it works wonders for me. My excrement is never wrong.
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Nathan, karma to you, bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
Thats the best version of defining rational protein intake I've heard so far!
I take 1.5 to 2 a day... Worked for me... With my Sust cycle I'm almost done with gained 24 lbs with no bloat or retention. Gas doesn't bother me much either as Macro said GINGER is the key...
Fuck those assholes who said take 2 scoops of protein only... I see something completely wrong with those guys' marketing strategies... They should be saying "Bro, take as much as you can and then some!" So they can sell a lot...Two scoops... Pathetic marketing... recommended dose... Who listens to recommended doses anyway?
 
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me2dammit said:
Isnt the saying you cant absorb more than 40 grams of protein at once an "urban legend"?


I don't think our ancestors,who had to deal with famine and hunting developed bodies that can only digest 40 grams of protein. That just doesn't make sense. Sometimes they might have gorged on 150 grams of protein in one sitting and I bet the body used every last drop, especially if it has been one day since your last meal.
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What doesn't make sense is for humans to ingest more protein than they can utilize. Our "ancestors" had a diet rich in protein and fat- not carbohydrates. Unless you’re an Adkins dieter, then you will most likely fulfil your dietary needs with carbs and then fulfil your muscular needs with protein. Our “ancestors” could utilize all of the protein they ate because they did not get their energy from carbs. In essence, of the 150gms they gorged on, most if not all of it went to providing the body energy. Some went to providing muscular upkeep, and there was no remainder to be pissed away. Today, however, after a nice pasta dinner, you’ll not need protein for energy- you will piss it away!
 
hey quartermiler:
what does ur diet look like. i am trying to get around 200g of protein a day. since were about the same weight just wondering. Are you ON right now?
 
capnnoway said:
IMO I think most guys take too much protein... Your body can only absorb so much and you get a lot just from foods that you eat.

I have even emailed Designer Protein... they say 1 - 2 scoops is the most anyone should take per day.
I don't think taking more will hurt you AND its not that expensive, so maybe its better to be safe than sorry and drink 5 lbs a week.
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Nice info from Designer, but they've got a vested interest. the Studies show that solids (such as whole meats, etc.) can be assimilated at the rate of 28 to 35g every 2-2.5 hours. Whey, specifically CFM (Cross Flow Matrix....very refined and not too pricey at $8.xx/pound unflavored) can be assimilated at about 60g per 2.5/hours.

If you follow that, then technically 4 whey drinks @ 240g and 3 solid meals @ 90g, you can get in 330g. That's without digestive enzymes btw, if you add bromelain, HCL and pancreatic....you can elevate each meal up to 40% (so another 120g or protein in a day). You can't keep this up for more than 6-8 weeks before your liver says stop, so use it wisely for a solid bulking cycle, and eat lean while you do it.....

Bo

Bo knows Squat :inflate:
 
The EXCREMENT has spoken.
That's good enough for me bro's.

:)

alien amp pharm - check this out:
I will be spending between 1500-2000 on Protein/creatine for my next run.For me,supplementation is every bit as important as the anabolics,probably more so.

HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex


5lbs a day DAMN!
 
Protein is the best. If I don't intake enough my strength goes down hill. I try to stay away from to much powders, solid food is better if you can. But powders are good when you need somehting quick and after a workout, I like shakes before bed.

Fatchops
 
capnnoway said:
alien amp pharm - check this out:
I will be spending between 1500-2000 on Protein/creatine for my next run.For me,supplementation is every bit as important as the anabolics,probably more so.

HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex


5lbs a day DAMN!
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It's not that I don't believe you, but do you have a link to the thread that came from? I never question someone like Huck because his knowledge is incredibile, but I would like to see the list of supplements he takes that total $1500-2000 a month! -or was he talking about that much during his whole next cycle?

Also, What kind of job would someone have to have to be able to spend $2000/month just on supplements?!? (plus cost of gear, anti-e's, clomid, food, gym, lifestyle, family, etc.) I just don't see how it's possible. Someone enlighten me!
 
Well I'm thru with work for today. I'll catch you guys tommorrow.

Peace
 
Im glad someone brought that up.... I have noticed that ever since I started my cycle... I havent shit nearly enough.... i thought something was wrong.. lol Im glad someone brought this up.
 
capnnoway said:
alien amp pharm, Here Ya Go:

The dude states $1500 - $2000 of protein and creatine a month.

I'm not flaming, I just agree that I would also like to see the daily dosages on that list!

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Capnnoway, thanks for digging that up.

"I will be spending between 1500-2000 on Protein/creatine for my next run.For me,supplementation is every bit as important as the anabolics,probably more so." -HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (6-27-02)

-I believe that maybe he's saying $1500-2000 for his WHOLE next cycle. Not just per ONE MONTH. I could be wrong though. If I'm wrong, I'd really like to see the breakdown on dosages and the prices paid.

BUMP for Huck to clarify for us nosy people.
 
I got some ginger root, but have been hesitant to take it because it mentions calcium deposits/gall stones (sp) I have not had them but it does run in the family. My weight is 254 and I take 400-450g of protein a day. I only shit once a day so IMO by body is liking it.

Badger...
 
LOL,Alien is correct,that is for my entire upcomming cyle,which will be 3-4 months in length.I will be looking to get 300grams a day in the form of high quality whey/casein protein powders(outside of the whole food sources),and around 15-20grams per day of effervescent creatine.And I have saved for MONTHS to be able to grab these items.Huckster is not rich by any means,lol.
 
BTW,the human body is an incredibly adaptative machine,which can certainly utilize higher amounts of protein.Particularly in A/S users and weightlifters alike,the possibility of increased A/R's/myonucleic populations/satellite cell proliferation leads to a far greater ability to utilize and process proteins.To say that one can only assimilate 35-40 grams in one sitting is way too far reaching,as individualistic genetic biomechanics,as well as the above aforementioned alterations can certainly alter these figures to a huge degree,and what may be the cap end for one organism,may only be the bottom end for another.
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
BTW,the human body is an incredibly adaptative machine,which can certainly utilize higher amounts of protein.Particularly in A/S users and weightlifters alike,the possibility of increased A/R's/myonucleic populations/satellite cell proliferation leads to a far greater ability to utilize and process proteins.To say that one can only assimilate 35-40 grams in one sitting is way too far reaching,as individualistic genetic biomechanics,as well as the above aforementioned alterations can certainly alter these figures to a huge degree,and what may be the cap end for one organism,may only be the bottom end for another.
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Your the man huck. Thanx for settin me straight on the protein intake per sitting thing. However, for my dietary needs, i don't need to go with more than 290 grams of protein per day. That 2 gram per pound of body weight.
 
OAKBOX said:


Your the man huck. Thanx for settin me straight on the protein intake per sitting thing. However, for my dietary needs, i don't need to go with more than 290 grams of protein per day. That 2 gram per pound of body weight.
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2g per lb of B/W is sufficient buddy.
 
OAKBOX said:


However, for my dietary needs, i don't need to go with more than 290 grams of protein per day. That 2 gram per pound of body weight.
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Oops, my mistake. That 1.5 gm per lb of B/W. Should have calculated before i typed. LOL :p
 
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