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silent_revolver

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I am sitting here planning my 3rd cycle in Dec. The goal is to get as strong as possible whilst gaining less than 10 pounds. I am a big fan of Test, anavar and high doses of Masteron, and was pretty much deciding on that, but I know the addition of Tren will be a game changer.

Sucks to admit it, but the word tren by itself conjures up the image of dealing with the devil, sick gains; disturbing sides.

I am also an outdoor guy who enjoys hiking and mountaineering, in fact guiding and PT is my job. I have heard from so many people that Tren spanks your stamina. That's a risk that I am quite weary of.

So should I get a bottle of Tren Ace and some caber and just give it a go, call it quits if the sides become to harsh? Or are there any better compounds out there (apart from the ones I listed) that would help me towards my goal?
 
Tren is sweet id try ace at 50mg eod to start run gw and s4 with it this will counteract some of the sides..def get some caber from agguys and get gw and s4 sarms1 you will love cycle..could throw in oxandavar last 6 weeks too
 
This is my third cycle with Tren. Never had low sex issues, so I guess everyone is different. Most noticeable thing for me is the fullness and the roundness on my muscles. Mainly the shoulders, biceps and quads.
 
Give tren a go, my cardio isn't down at all. And I'm running 75mgs a day with 75mgs masteron per day 25 mgs test prop.

I feel fucking great bro I was always scared to run tren but I am using caber and a tiny ass letro dose and it's the funniest run I've had so far.

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Thanks for the advice guys, appreciate it.

So I was thinking of this cycle for winter:

Week 1- 12 Test E @ 300MG EW
Week 1-8 Anavar @ 60MG ED
Week 4-12 Tren A @ 50MG EOD
Week 4-12 GW @ 20mg ED

Ancillary:
Aromasin @ 12.5 ED (Thats the optimal range for me, maybe my gear is underdone I don't know, but 12.5 EOD I get bloated)
Caber @ 0.5 mg E3D (Experiment to find optimal dosage)
N2Guard for the oral period
HCG @ 500IU EW starting week 3

PCT:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Osta: 25mg
Unleashed

Think this is a pretty conservative cycle to get my feet wet with Tren. I used to have anger management issues, but now that I am almost 30, I have calmed down a lot and manage to keep the demons at bay. Besides the missus has no idea about my drug use, so I don't wanna turn into a maniac and fuck up my personal life. That's a big reason I was avoiding Tren before. With Test I am calmer than usual, it gives me a quiet and dignified confidence.
 
Seems like you already know what you're doing. Simply put, Tren is for people who value muscle more than health. It's not for me. But there's not denying its effectiveness.
 
silent_revolver said:
Thanks for the advice guys, appreciate it.

So I was thinking of this cycle for winter:

Week 1- 12 Test E @ 300MG EW
Week 1-8 Anavar @ 60MG ED
Week 4-12 Tren A @ 50MG EOD
Week 4-12 GW @ 20mg ED

Ancillary:
Aromasin @ 12.5 ED (Thats the optimal range for me, maybe my gear is underdone I don't know, but 12.5 EOD I get bloated)
Caber @ 0.5 mg E3D (Experiment to find optimal dosage)
N2Guard for the oral period
HCG @ 500IU EW starting week 3

PCT:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Osta: 25mg
Unleashed

Think this is a pretty conservative cycle to get my feet wet with Tren. I used to have anger management issues, but now that I am almost 30, I have calmed down a lot and manage to keep the demons at bay. Besides the missus has no idea about my drug use, so I don't wanna turn into a maniac and fuck up my personal life. That's a big reason I was avoiding Tren before. With Test I am calmer than usual, it gives me a quiet and dignified confidence.
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not a bad layout at all... i would run gw from the start... it would be nice to stagger it into tren and that way you would have been building your vo2max up 4 weeks before starting tren and that will help TREMENDOUSLY to mitigate the sides... you will be building your cholesterol up as well, making it much harder to hurt from tren sides... I would also add s4 as it would coincide beautifully here... just stick to a moderate 50 mg day and you will love it... you can look to bump tren after 10-14 days... just see how your body responds and if its responding well then bump to 75... that's a really nice dosage... its not too high but enough to be very effective... make sure to get your sarms at SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
 
Just to mimic what Dylan is saying, I agree that you should start GW at the beginning of the cycle. It makes a world of difference while running Tren with the side effects, not to mention the positive effects it will have on your cholesterol
 
dylangemelli said:
not a bad layout at all... i would run gw from the start... it would be nice to stagger it into tren and that way you would have been building your vo2max up 4 weeks before starting tren and that will help TREMENDOUSLY to mitigate the sides... you will be building your cholesterol up as well, making it much harder to hurt from tren sides... I would also add s4 as it would coincide beautifully here... just stick to a moderate 50 mg day and you will love it... you can look to bump tren after 10-14 days... just see how your body responds and if its responding well then bump to 75... that's a really nice dosage... its not too high but enough to be very effective... make sure to get your sarms at SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
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Sounds good dude, will start GW right from the beginning.

I have to big up SARMS1.com here. Note that I am not affiliated with them in anyway. I find them to have impeccable customer service and a company that truly cares about their customers. I live in HK, and they actually had a representative call me to ask me about my results from GW. Now thats professionalism! I am a loyal fan, wouldn't get my SARMS from any other source!
 
silent_revolver said:
Sounds good dude, will start GW right from the beginning.

I have to big up SARMS1.com here. Note that I am not affiliated with them in anyway. I find them to have impeccable customer service and a company that truly cares about their customers. I live in HK, and they actually had a representative call me to ask me about my results from GW. Now thats professionalism! I am a loyal fan, wouldn't get my SARMS from any other source!
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That's awesome to hear bro. Definitely the best sarms and customer service on the market!
 
I've done gear for over 20 yrs. Not sure if I'm proud of that statement. lol But ive tried all types of gear and quantities. Tren is unbelievable! the strength you get and the roundness of your muscles is like no other drug, well maybe HGH. I mixed it with Sustanon and cip. And did 2 iu's a day of growth. My adrenal glands felt weak so jumped on some T3 as well. BUT by far TREN is awesome! I did sweat in bed and very moody but it is what it is. The stuff works great.
 
25homes said:
Tren is sweet id try ace at 50mg eod to start run gw and s4 with it this will counteract some of the sides..def get some caber from agguys and get gw and s4 sarms1 you will love cycle..could throw in oxandavar last 6 weeks too
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gw will couter act the tren sides, not s4 bro .
 
hurricane said:
gw will couter act the tren sides, not s4 bro .
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Yeah bro, tbh from my research of S4 I doubt I'd ever use it, I find the vision thing scary. Been running GW for 4 days now, at the tail end of my Test and anavar cycle, just did a morning conditioning work out and smoked it! Loving the endurance boost of the compound.

I am just going to stick with GW and Osta for ancillary SARMS for the time being, I don't see the need to jump on S4 whilst running Tren, when Tren essentially does the same thing. I am a big believer in simplicity, my training consist of different variations on no more than 8-10 exercises. And my cycles are the same, Test base + 1 androgen + ancillary.

Less is more
 
LIBIGBOY said:
Beware that Tren stops your sex drive. It happened to me. Its good to be a freak but if you cant satisfy your girl it could be a problem.
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Interesting. Were you taking caber? Did you run a low Test base i.e 250-300MG EW? I am keyboard jockeying here, but from what I have read, the Test and caber should definitely counter the sides.

Also what Ester of Tren were you running?

I am starting with Tren Ace for its short half life so I can bail out if SHTF, but if I find myself tolerant of Tren I may get some Tren Hex. I am lucky that my guy has a pretty full arsenal. Even have Metitren! But I am never touching that shit.
 
silent_revolver said:
Yeah bro, tbh from my research of S4 I doubt I'd ever use it, I find the vision thing scary. Been running GW for 4 days now, at the tail end of my Test and anavar cycle, just did a morning conditioning work out and smoked it! Loving the endurance boost of the compound.

I am just going to stick with GW and Osta for ancillary SARMS for the time being, I don't see the need to jump on S4 whilst running Tren, when Tren essentially does the same thing. I am a big believer in simplicity, my training consist of different variations on no more than 8-10 exercises. And my cycles are the same, Test base + 1 androgen + ancillary.

Less is more
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i wouldnt say tren and s4 provide simliar results but s4 can certainly be subed with other anabolic compounds ..There is simply no subitute for gw on cycle and osta in pct..NOTHING .Nothing can be used to replace either,watever way you cut it!.And both are esencial to maximimzing your cycles
This is why gw and osta are by far the most valuable sarms products, they are irreplaceable.
 
I took the tren enanthate 200-300 mgs a week. I mixed it with sustanon 250-750 mgs a week and HGH. The tren is amazing but absolutely cuts off your sex drive. its called Tren-dick. I never heard of caber or n2guard stated in other guys posts. Is that a peptide? A supplement? They must lower your estrogen. Mine went through the roof when on tren. So I increased my anastrozole to 1mg every other day.
 
Well tren contributes to ED issues through progesterone. Progesterone is the hormone used to chemically castrate habitual pedos. Caber combats the build up of prolactin.

At least that's what I have read. N2guard is just liver support to protect Tren's hepatoxicity.

Anyway thats a very severe issue. Ripped and jack with no manhood? Not a good situation


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LIBIGBOY said:
I took the tren enanthate 200-300 mgs a week. I mixed it with sustanon 250-750 mgs a week and HGH. The tren is amazing but absolutely cuts off your sex drive. its called Tren-dick. I never heard of caber or n2guard stated in other guys posts. Is that a peptide? A supplement? They must lower your estrogen. Mine went through the roof when on tren. So I increased my anastrozole to 1mg every other day.
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N2guard is a supplement that helps fight bad sides on cylces, not just liver problems but others as well ( high bp,ache,water rentention..etc)

caber is a dopamine agonist that will reduce prolactin levels that rise while on deca or tren and will help prevent prolactin related gyno. It will NOT do anything to reduce estrogen related gyno.

Messed up prolactin levels can ruin your sex drive, so try caber and see how it helps on tren.
 
If its just your third cycle i wouldnt even hit tren yet. lots of other compounds to milk before the point of no return (tren)
but to each his own of course
 
My last Tren cycle my estrogen was 127!! so I increased my anastrozole from half a pill to a full pill every other day. I got nervous about my levels and stopped taking the tren. I recently picked up novidex 20mg and was thinking of rotating the anastrozole one day and the novadex the next day. I loved the TREN and want to start again.but my sex drive stopped and my levels went through the roof. Would these meds fix those issues?? thanks guys!!!!
 
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