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To the moon, Alice...

redguru

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CNN
Monday, September 19, 2005; Posted: 10:32 p.m. EDT (02:32 GMT)

NASA unveils moon program

NASA Administrator Michael Griffin rolled out NASA's plan for the future Monday, including new details about the spaceship intended to replace the shuttle and a timeline for returning astronauts to the moon in 2018.

The design for the new crew exploration vehicle (CEV) looks a lot like the Apollo-era spaceship that first took NASA to the moon a generation ago. It is a similarity that is not lost on Griffin.

"Think of it as Apollo on steroids," he told reporters at NASA headquarters in Washington.

Under the new NASA plan, a "moon shot" would actually require two launches, both using rockets derived from shuttle launch hardware.

One unmanned, heavy-lift rocket would transport a lunar lander plus supplies and other equipment to low-Earth orbit.

Afterward, a second rocket would carry a crew capsule capable of transporting up to six astronauts into a similar orbit. The two would dock with each other, and then head to the moon.

The first few missions are planned to put four astronauts on the surface of the moon for a week, while the unoccupied mothership orbits overhead. Once back in the crew capsule, the astronauts would return to Earth, with the capsule parachuting to a landing at Edwards Air Force Base in the California desert.

Griffin said the total cost of the program spread out over 13 years will be $104 billion in 2005.

"Unless the United States wants to get out of the manned space flight business completely, then this is the vehicle we need to be building," he said.

"And I don't hear anyone saying that the United States would be better off being out of space, when other nations are there."

He also dismissed speculation that federal spending on clean-up and rebuilding along the Gulf Coast in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina might eat into funds that would otherwise be earmarked for the space agency.

"The space program is a long-term investment in our future. We must deal with our short-term problems while not sacrificing our long-term investments in our future. When we have a hurricane, we don't cancel the Air Force. We don't cancel the Navy. And we're not going to cancel NASA."

In the wake of the shuttle Columbia disaster in 2003, NASA officials announced that the agency intends to end the space shuttle program in 2010.

The CEV is expected to be ready for test flights around 2012. In the meantime, NASA intends to launch robotic missions to the moon in 2008 and 2011, to scout possible landing sites.

Unlike the spacecraft of the Apollo era, which could land only on the moon's equator, the new lunar lander should be able to set down anywhere on the moon's surface, NASA said.

NASA scientists said a landing site at the lunar south pole might be of particular interest because previous studies indicated the presence of ice there.

One goal of future moon missions will be to learn how to "live off the land," using the hydrogen and oxygen from water ice as well as other compounds from the lunar soil to make rocket fuel and other "consumables" necessary for long-term space missions.

Griffin on Monday did not lay out a timeline for the construction of a lunar base or a manned mission to Mars, both of which have been included previously as part of President Bush's "vision for space exploration."

He did indicate, however, that both of those activities remain on the table, to be pursued as the budget allows.​

I know what Curling is going to say, but it's about time that we invested a little money into long-range goals. If we ever are going to advance as a species, we need to continue exploration of near-earth objects. Once we establish outposts on the moon we can set them up as launch platforms for deeper space exploration. Just think how far along we would be if we hadn't stopped with the Apollo project. The space shuttle program is a dinosaur, the avionics are as old as the B52.

This country was founded on the premise that there is always a better place. Anyone as old as I and older, I believe, were fascinated and awestruck by the Apollo missions. We need to get back to goals that not only would be nationalistic but that embody aspirations of a greater purpose.

Think of the (too numerous to count) technological advances that wouldn't be here without the Space program. The personal computer would not be here without the advent of the microprocessor, which wouldn't be here without the advent of p-n junctions. Just about all of microelectronics owes itself to the US Space program.
 
redguru said:
CNN
Monday, September 19, 2005; Posted: 10:32 p.m. EDT (02:32 GMT)

NASA unveils moon program

NASA Administrator Michael Griffin rolled out NASA's plan for the future Monday, including new details about the spaceship intended to replace the shuttle and a timeline for returning astronauts to the moon in 2018.

The design for the new crew exploration vehicle (CEV) looks a lot like the Apollo-era spaceship that first took NASA to the moon a generation ago. It is a similarity that is not lost on Griffin.

"Think of it as Apollo on steroids," he told reporters at NASA headquarters in Washington.

Under the new NASA plan, a "moon shot" would actually require two launches, both using rockets derived from shuttle launch hardware.

One unmanned, heavy-lift rocket would transport a lunar lander plus supplies and other equipment to low-Earth orbit.

Afterward, a second rocket would carry a crew capsule capable of transporting up to six astronauts into a similar orbit. The two would dock with each other, and then head to the moon.

The first few missions are planned to put four astronauts on the surface of the moon for a week, while the unoccupied mothership orbits overhead. Once back in the crew capsule, the astronauts would return to Earth, with the capsule parachuting to a landing at Edwards Air Force Base in the California desert.

Griffin said the total cost of the program spread out over 13 years will be $104 billion in 2005.

"Unless the United States wants to get out of the manned space flight business completely, then this is the vehicle we need to be building," he said.

"And I don't hear anyone saying that the United States would be better off being out of space, when other nations are there."

He also dismissed speculation that federal spending on clean-up and rebuilding along the Gulf Coast in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina might eat into funds that would otherwise be earmarked for the space agency.

"The space program is a long-term investment in our future. We must deal with our short-term problems while not sacrificing our long-term investments in our future. When we have a hurricane, we don't cancel the Air Force. We don't cancel the Navy. And we're not going to cancel NASA."

In the wake of the shuttle Columbia disaster in 2003, NASA officials announced that the agency intends to end the space shuttle program in 2010.

The CEV is expected to be ready for test flights around 2012. In the meantime, NASA intends to launch robotic missions to the moon in 2008 and 2011, to scout possible landing sites.

Unlike the spacecraft of the Apollo era, which could land only on the moon's equator, the new lunar lander should be able to set down anywhere on the moon's surface, NASA said.

NASA scientists said a landing site at the lunar south pole might be of particular interest because previous studies indicated the presence of ice there.

One goal of future moon missions will be to learn how to "live off the land," using the hydrogen and oxygen from water ice as well as other compounds from the lunar soil to make rocket fuel and other "consumables" necessary for long-term space missions.

Griffin on Monday did not lay out a timeline for the construction of a lunar base or a manned mission to Mars, both of which have been included previously as part of President Bush's "vision for space exploration."

He did indicate, however, that both of those activities remain on the table, to be pursued as the budget allows.​

I know what Curling is going to say, but it's about time that we invested a little money into long-range goals. If we ever are going to advance as a species, we need to continue exploration of near-earth objects. Once we establish outposts on the moon we can set them up as launch platforms for deeper space exploration. Just think how far along we would be if we hadn't stopped with the Apollo project. The space shuttle program is a dinosaur, the avionics are as old as the B52.

This country was founded on the premise that there is always a better place. Anyone as old as I and older, I believe, were fascinated and awestruck by the Apollo missions. We need to get back to goals that not only would be nationalistic but that embody aspirations of a greater purpose.

Think of the (too numerous to count) technological advances that wouldn't be here without the Space program. The personal computer would not be here without the advent of the microprocessor, which wouldn't be here without the advent of p-n junctions. Just about all of microelectronics owes itself to the US Space program.


I just finished reading "Deception Point"... your post seems straight out of that book
 
redguru said:
Hmm, never read it. Is it about the space program?

yep. It's a novel, it involves NASA heavily... the President in that book is a staunch defendant of NASA, against an ever growing crowd of people denouncing NASA budgetary misshaps... he makes a speech saying more or less what you posted.
 
I'll definately have to check it out.

I agree with NASA's critics that it is a bloated bureacracy, but all of government is. If there were a way to slowly privatize NASA, I'd be all for it. I guess my point it, I would prefer that my tax money go to projects like this, than a lot of places it goes now.
 
ohhhhhh, NASA privatization is BIG in that book as well...

you might actually like it... Dan Brown, the author of the Davinci Code
 
redguru said:
Wonder where the :cow: is?


curled up with a bunson burner and his favorite chemicals...

It's unfortunate how much money nasa has squandered over the years, I'm all for the program i just think they should tighten the ship up a bit...btw, i love on the news when the interview white trash about NASA, for some reason southern crackas hate NASA
 
Gambino said:
curled up with a bunson burner and his favorite chemicals...

It's unfortunate how much money nasa has squandered over the years, I'm all for the program i just think they should tighten the ship up a bit...btw, i love on the news when the interview white trash about NASA, for some reason southern crackas hate NASA

LOL, they interviewed Curling about NASA? I missed the memo. I think its because them rich pilots stole all them Southern belles in Melbourne and Houston.

True that NASA should tighten ship, but they're emphasis is too much on good press, because of funding concerns. Once established economic viability of space exploration is affirmed, NASA can go away.
 
Sorry, been doing multiple things whilst partially on here...

I can honestly see this not happening. With everyone's (public, gov't, etc) view and opinion on space flight -- or space in general -- so many other little petty things will come up which will delay and underfund the mission. It simply doesn't pay to think about the future... err, in this respect, at least, not in the microeconomics business sense or whatever.

I bought a cool little book on space biospherics before coming to school, I wish I had a chance to read it. I'm not sure the potential for that kinda thing.

NASA and the gov't really need to stop crying about a couple deaths though. Or else end the whole highway/car plan after the next few deaths happen on the road. Oops, too late. Good thing people didn't think that way when sailing the oceans back in the day, no one woulda found america :rolleyes:
 
samoth said:
Sorry, been doing multiple things whilst partially on here...

I can honestly see this not happening. With everyone's (public, gov't, etc) view and opinion on space flight -- or space in general -- so many other little petty things will come up which will delay and underfund the mission. It simply doesn't pay to think about the future... err, in this respect, at least, not in the microeconomics business sense or whatever.

I bought a cool little book on space biospherics before coming to school, I wish I had a chance to read it. I'm not sure the potential for that kinda thing.

NASA and the gov't really need to stop crying about a couple deaths though. Or else end the whole highway/car plan after the next few deaths happen on the road. Oops, too late. Good thing people didn't think that way when sailing the oceans back in the day, no one woulda found america :rolleyes:

someone smarter than me, like redguru or mts, could probably demonstrate how space study and exploration could be funded by the private sector
 
Gambino said:
someone smarter than me, like redguru or mts, could probably demonstrate how space study and exploration could be funded by the private sector

Nerds like Bill Gates will pay up
 
Gambino said:
someone smarter than me, like redguru or mts, could probably demonstrate how space study and exploration could be funded by the private sector


Hmm... I'd be interested in hearing that.
 
That's out of my purview. I would suspect that the tech sector would pony up more bones if there would be realtime applications for everything, but NASA is such a slow moving behemoth.
 
redguru said:
Think of the (too numerous to count) technological advances that wouldn't be here without the Space program. The personal computer would not be here without the advent of the microprocessor, which wouldn't be here without the advent of p-n junctions. Just about all of microelectronics owes itself to the US Space program.

and TANG.
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