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Silent Method
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Good intentions alone have no value. Words and actions carry weight.Thaibox said:
To all the FEDS visting this board....
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Baby Gorilla
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No flames intended....
Didn't mean to make it sound like bashing cops here. It's just the Businessweek article is putting the pressure on people who only want to get stronger and look better.
To say the black market is a criminal concern is a straw man argument. Why is there a black market? Because the system created it. To protect people, let's make something illegal without a prescription. Then, the people who can make it legal to have it are pressured to never give a prescription. Kinda creates crime rather than stopping crime--doesn't it? Want to kill the black market? Stop punishing doctors for letting a patient have AS for training purposes. If he'll monitor the patient, that should be enough, but that's not how it goes--so the system creates the crime law enforcment wastes resources fighting.
Also, law enforcement (while having no direct policy-making power) does have discretion. AS are not a major crisis. We'd better use these resources on more important matters like terrorism.
Just recently, a sample of radioactive material was shipped from Russia to NYC. This was done as a test to see where it would be stopped and intercepted. Results? It got to NYC with NO SCRUTINY until it got to the USA, and it was allowed to pass with no real concern.
I just consider recent threads showing that both foreign and domestic sources are either getting busted or closing shop because (with high liklihood) feds are browsing forums like this and trying to nab sources.
All they are doing is making stuff more difficult for those who chose to use AS (something I support if that's your choice). More so, they may be endangering user's health. How? A reliable source is one who does as promised, charges a fair price, and doesn't try to slip you fake or tainted product. Every good source that closes shop or gets busted is replaced by a dozen unknowns who may not think twice of harming a client for a quick buck. A good source is hard to find, and they likely aren't into more severe criminal activities as compared to a scammer who wants maximum $$$ for who knows what reasons.
I'm just getting open to those who I figure are visiting this site and others looking for "intelligence" info. No personal attacks are meant here.
Didn't mean to make it sound like bashing cops here. It's just the Businessweek article is putting the pressure on people who only want to get stronger and look better.
To say the black market is a criminal concern is a straw man argument. Why is there a black market? Because the system created it. To protect people, let's make something illegal without a prescription. Then, the people who can make it legal to have it are pressured to never give a prescription. Kinda creates crime rather than stopping crime--doesn't it? Want to kill the black market? Stop punishing doctors for letting a patient have AS for training purposes. If he'll monitor the patient, that should be enough, but that's not how it goes--so the system creates the crime law enforcment wastes resources fighting.
Also, law enforcement (while having no direct policy-making power) does have discretion. AS are not a major crisis. We'd better use these resources on more important matters like terrorism.
Just recently, a sample of radioactive material was shipped from Russia to NYC. This was done as a test to see where it would be stopped and intercepted. Results? It got to NYC with NO SCRUTINY until it got to the USA, and it was allowed to pass with no real concern.
I just consider recent threads showing that both foreign and domestic sources are either getting busted or closing shop because (with high liklihood) feds are browsing forums like this and trying to nab sources.
All they are doing is making stuff more difficult for those who chose to use AS (something I support if that's your choice). More so, they may be endangering user's health. How? A reliable source is one who does as promised, charges a fair price, and doesn't try to slip you fake or tainted product. Every good source that closes shop or gets busted is replaced by a dozen unknowns who may not think twice of harming a client for a quick buck. A good source is hard to find, and they likely aren't into more severe criminal activities as compared to a scammer who wants maximum $$$ for who knows what reasons.
I'm just getting open to those who I figure are visiting this site and others looking for "intelligence" info. No personal attacks are meant here.
RussianBro
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I wondered about the other thing though... What part (%) of an FBI budget is designated to AAS or it's just goes from the big chunk that comes from drug enforcement fund, if you know what I mean? What's what interesting.
The other aspect of this problem is UNCONTROLLED sale and use of pro-hormones. Because those pro-hormone manufacturers-cash cows lobby and represent their interest, you can get them as much as you want and over the counter. Pardon my french, but I had bigger side effects from using pro-hormones than from AAS. That's where the problem is.
How come alcohol is ABSOLUTELY uncontrolled. There is no prevention, people get 11 DUI's and they walk free and eventually get prison time for finally killing someone.
The problem with AAS usage and any other "substance" has to do with LACK of preventitive system. Mostly in USA health, police, social services (and for God sakes almost any other) are being reactive, not pro-active to any issue they face. And, I think, that's where the problem is. Nobody educates.
I just talked to a very nice friend of mine who is a customs officer. He said that it is VERY sad to watch and arrest those college kids that bring pot or steroids from Canada. God, what was the number (%) of people in prisons in US that are there for "drugs?" Maybe 50 %? And in fact a lot of them (maybe 1/4, which will translate into thousands) are conventional pot smokers. I think there is something wrong with this system.
I don't know where the heck this thread could end up. interesting what intellegent people have to say though... As far as I remember there are LOTS of intellegent people on this board.
It would also be interesting to get an opinion from an FBI or other "offices" officers who work with "steroids issues." Why not?.. Please do so, it is always interesting to see what "others" opinion is.
The other aspect of this problem is UNCONTROLLED sale and use of pro-hormones. Because those pro-hormone manufacturers-cash cows lobby and represent their interest, you can get them as much as you want and over the counter. Pardon my french, but I had bigger side effects from using pro-hormones than from AAS. That's where the problem is.
How come alcohol is ABSOLUTELY uncontrolled. There is no prevention, people get 11 DUI's and they walk free and eventually get prison time for finally killing someone.
The problem with AAS usage and any other "substance" has to do with LACK of preventitive system. Mostly in USA health, police, social services (and for God sakes almost any other) are being reactive, not pro-active to any issue they face. And, I think, that's where the problem is. Nobody educates.
I just talked to a very nice friend of mine who is a customs officer. He said that it is VERY sad to watch and arrest those college kids that bring pot or steroids from Canada. God, what was the number (%) of people in prisons in US that are there for "drugs?" Maybe 50 %? And in fact a lot of them (maybe 1/4, which will translate into thousands) are conventional pot smokers. I think there is something wrong with this system.
I don't know where the heck this thread could end up. interesting what intellegent people have to say though... As far as I remember there are LOTS of intellegent people on this board.
It would also be interesting to get an opinion from an FBI or other "offices" officers who work with "steroids issues." Why not?.. Please do so, it is always interesting to see what "others" opinion is.
Baby Gorilla
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Just in case....
I'll try to keep tabs on this thread.
If it gets too ugly, I'll delete it.
I'll try to keep tabs on this thread.
If it gets too ugly, I'll delete it.
if so many people want change, why the fuck dont they organize and do something about it. posting on an message board is going to change anything. try to gather some resources and create a non-profit organiztion for the legalization of AAS. get doctors, lawyers, and politicians to help you lobby your cause. i am a donating member of NORML (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws) and through years of support, the movement is finally making some progress in the hemp industry, medical marijuana, and lowering punishment for simple possesion. i would gladly donate to an AAS foundation as i am sure most of you would. someone who has the free time and resources should get started on something like this
sorry guys I am going to have to side with the newbie on this one.
Yea, how much money do the feds spend to stop illegal steroid use?
to much.
why dont you go and tell one of the mothers that is now left to raise her children alone after her husband was killed trying to save lives in a falling tower on 9-11, that their are feds on this board trying to track illegal storoid sales over the internet.
In the mean time, while these feds are doing their job I have to sit here and wonder if my office building will be the next target of a terristic attack? Our nation is at war, and in mourning. Partly because the feds forgot what was really important.
Yea, how much money do the feds spend to stop illegal steroid use?
to much.
why dont you go and tell one of the mothers that is now left to raise her children alone after her husband was killed trying to save lives in a falling tower on 9-11, that their are feds on this board trying to track illegal storoid sales over the internet.
In the mean time, while these feds are doing their job I have to sit here and wonder if my office building will be the next target of a terristic attack? Our nation is at war, and in mourning. Partly because the feds forgot what was really important.
RussianBro
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Re: Just in case....
philosophical debates, difference in opinions are never ugly...
however, some people's perseptions are distorted and a lot of positive things can be persived ugly...
just my opinion that this particular discussion is good and healthy...
Baby Gorilla said:
philosophical debates, difference in opinions are never ugly...
however, some people's perseptions are distorted and a lot of positive things can be persived ugly...
just my opinion that this particular discussion is good and healthy...
Prohibition also created a black market and yet, it is now legal to buy and sell alcohol and make your own at home,pot is illegal but the puynishments vary so greatly from state to state , I understand both sides of the commentary and whether you like it or not, both sides are correct, depending on your perspective on the situation.
And yes we need law enforcement, but it is up to the voters of this country to take issues that concern them and vote accordingly, less goverment is a good thing, and until that happens thousands of laws will hit the law books every year until the public cries out in anger, because the same goverment that keeps us free also is taking our freedoms away inch by painful inch.
And yes we need law enforcement, but it is up to the voters of this country to take issues that concern them and vote accordingly, less goverment is a good thing, and until that happens thousands of laws will hit the law books every year until the public cries out in anger, because the same goverment that keeps us free also is taking our freedoms away inch by painful inch.
Silent Method
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Re: No flames intended....
Sure, I agree. However, who and what is "the system." Legislators, polititions, and high level administrators. Not law enforcement personnel.
More later, I have to go eat mass quantities...
Baby Gorilla said:
Sure, I agree. However, who and what is "the system." Legislators, polititions, and high level administrators. Not law enforcement personnel.
Discretion to ignore the law? I think you've got the concept of law enforcement discretion tangled up. When word comes down from the boss's boss's boss's boss to direct investigations into this or that, you don't say no. You do your job and you enforce the law.Baby Gorilla said:
More later, I have to go eat mass quantities...
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