Time to Rid the World of Marxists and neo-Conservatives

[atlantabiolab]

well actual Marxists who stick to his work and not his predeccesors aren't that bad, the communism that exists today is vastly perverted from its original context, either way I agree

Tell us how Marxism, as defined by Marx/Engels, is OK?

 

[atlantabiolab]

Marxism has at its roots a nasty tendency for a ruling class of intellectuals that will run everything. These are of the same mentality as the neo-cons. Only the neo-cons are using capitalism to consolidate power and turn everyone else into a cog in the machine of their own little Matrix.

Marxists want to use the hallucination of Utopia to trick the masses that it is in their best interests to overthrow the capitalist pigs and to live in harmony. You see what most people do not realize is that relative poverty is the real problem. If everyone around you is poor, then you see nothing wrong with it. That is the real Marxists Utopia realized. They are living to feed the machine and then dying unfulfilled. Another little Matrix.

Happiness comes from true expression of one's dreams and desires. That is not possible in the world of the neo-cons or the Marxists.

How can you see the problems, yet post your normal drivel?

There must be a lot of voices in that head of yours

 

[rsnoble]

I did ask a question, sort of.

Revolt. Before they take our guns. This fucking game of stabbing the people in the back while they do whatever they want with a shiteating smile on their face has got to fucking end. Maybe Al-Q or some other terrorist group will take care of some of our problems for us. Say what you want, they'd be doing the world a favor. I mean fuck guy, what can you do-legally-that is going to make a damn difference? Sit around and watch the news everynight and bitch about it? Vote for the right guy and the wrong guy gets in? Drastic results require drastic measures. And I think it's about time something is done.

Im so pissed off at this shitpit of country right now I really can't do anything but ramble on(way to many short circuits trying to decipher all the bullshit) so ill leave it at that.

 

[Krazykat]

2 Thick, ok I won`t ask anything unless I am polite. But quite frankly I find your misunderstoof view of Marxism rude in itself.

Now I will say it again, and this is not rude, this is simply a fact. You do not appear to understand Marxism. End of discusion.

True Marxism (that as proposed by Marx) does not have a ruling class elite of intelectuals, but rather a dictatorship of the people.

Marxists are not there to trick anyone. Maybe you are confusing some bastard child of communism like what we say in the USSR as what Marx intended. Do you really think that Marxists want people to be content by having everyone poor?

Yes relative poverty is bad, that is why despite living conditions for most people being better today, the difference between rich and poor is greater than ever.

Marx proposed an equality of power and resources for all, not an elite of intellectuals. There is some mention of a leading group that will lead the revolution, and fall when power and resources are shared among all.

Marxism is all about being aloud to express ones dreams and desires and it allows this by the equality of power and resources that communism allows. Only by this can all people be in a position to do so.

2Thick I apologise for my rude comments whole heartedly.I really was quite rude. But I will stress again that you do not appear to understand Marxism. I am happy to have an open debate with your on the matter.

 

[Hangfire]

Marxism has at its roots a nasty tendency for a ruling class of intellectuals that will run everything.

Marxists want to use the hallucination of Utopia to trick the masses that it is in their best interests to overthrow the capitalist pigs and to live in harmony.

That is a perfect description of the Clinton administration, and of the Democratic party of today in general.

 

[plornive]

2 Thick, ok I won`t ask anything unless I am polite. But quite frankly I find your misunderstoof view of Marxism rude in itself.

Now I will say it again, and this is not rude, this is simply a fact. You do not appear to understand Marxism. End of discusion.

True Marxism (that as proposed by Marx) does not have a ruling class elite of intelectuals, but rather a dictatorship of the people.

Marxists are not there to trick anyone. Maybe you are confusing some bastard child of communism like what we say in the USSR as what Marx intended. Do you really think that Marxists want people to be content by having everyone poor?

It doesn't matter if Karl Marx was sincere or not.

Ideologies are used for political leverage by people who want power. That is the manifestation of Marxism. End of story. Ideologies in general are forces of political leverage that need to be kept in check.

You remind of someone who says that today's Christianity isn't "True Christianity" or today's Islam isn't "True Islam". You need a paradigm shift. If you look at ideologies as political tools, you might define them by their manifestations rather than their supposed meanings.

I actually think naive followers make a big difference. Power is built upon naive followers.

well actual Marxists who stick to his work and not his predeccesors aren't that bad, the communism that exists today is vastly perverted from its original context, either way I agree

By what paradigm do you view Marxism? Do you view it as a politica tool or something else? You seem to change your mind mid-post.

 

[Krazykat]

Plornive, are you sure that all political ideologies are ALWAYS used as political leverage for power? Marxism is about an equality of power and resources. True in the past it has basically fuc*ed up like in the USSR, but the notion that this always will be in totally wrong. What we have seen in the world under the guise of `communism` is not communist at all, their ideas are not Marxist. And no this is not an intelectual cop out.

If communism was to occur as Marx intended then all people will be `using` Marxism, or more precisely be Marxist. Power and resources will be shared among all hurrah! Where is the political leverage then? Yes it was somewhat ambigously proposed that some form of leadership may be necessary but this would fall away. These `leaders` would be with the people, not against them.

I know that I can`t change your views, but at least bear in mind that most Marxists today, still hold Marx`s views. And do want the world to be a better place through equality.


BTW, whos the girl?

 

[plornive]

Plornive, are you sure that all political ideologies are ALWAYS used as political leverage for power? Marxism is about an equality of power and resources. True in the past it has basically fuc*ed up like in the USSR, but the notion that this always will be in totally wrong. What we have seen in the world under the guise of `communism` is not communist at all, their ideas are not Marxist. And no this is not an intelectual cop out.

If communism was to occur as Marx intended then all people will be `using` Marxism, or more precisely be Marxist. Power and resources will be shared among all hurrah! Where is the political leverage then? Yes it was somewhat ambigously proposed that some form of leadership may be necessary but this would fall away. These `leaders` would be with the people, not against them.

I know that I can`t change your views, but at least bear in mind that most Marxists today, still hold Marx`s views. And do want the world to be a better place through equality.


BTW, whos the girl?

Well I can see what you are saying and I actually agree. But it seems that you also agree that communism has been used as a political tool in the past for the most part.

In general I think people who get to levels of high power are all about using every tool available to their overall advantage. So eventually an attractive ideology will probably be used for political leverage. With that, I would judge an ideology by it's manifestation. I don't really care about meaning, but that's just me.

But I digress, since I am considered by most people to be a cynic. I don't really 'believe' in much.

And the girl? My girlfriend. She definitely treats me right

 

[Krazykat]

Hmm political tool maybe, or maybe just good intentions gone bad.

Where`s your gf from, and you for that matter?

 

[plornive]

Hmm political tool maybe, or maybe just good intentions gone bad.

Where`s your gf from, and you for that matter?

She's from Hong Kong. I'm from the US (originally Fort Lauderdale then the midwest), but I'm working, researching and doing business in Hong Kong right now. I've most recently been here for 3 months.