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Thoughts on Iranian nuclear program?

What do you think of this?

I'm just glad that we have level headed diplomats like dubwa in control.





NBC News and news services
Updated: 4:52 p.m. ET Jan. 11, 2006
TEHRAN, Iran - The U.S. and Britain said Wednesday that Western countries will likely seek economic sanctions against Iran after it restarted nuclear activity. Iran’s president said his country would not be “bullied” and would push ahead with the program.

International impatience with Iran was growing after it broke U.N. seals at a uranium enrichment plant Tuesday and said it was resuming nuclear research after a two-year freeze. Enriched uranium can be used as a fuel for both nuclear energy and nuclear weapons.

“I think the first thing to do is to secure agreement for a reference to the Security Council, if that is indeed what the allies jointly decide, as I think seems likely,” Prime Minister Tony Blair told the House of Commons in London, adding that he was in close contact with Washington on the issue.

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“We obviously don’t rule out any measures at all,” Blair said when asked about possible sanctions. “It’s important Iran recognizes how seriously the international community treats it.”

White House spokesman Scott McClellan, traveling with President Bush on a brief trip to Kentucky, told reporters that if the European-led negotiations had run their course, then there was no other option but to refer Iran to the U.N. Security Council for possible sanctions.

In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said it was now “more likely than ever” that Iran would be hauled before the Security Council.

“I think that the Iranian regime has made another serious miscalculation by their latest actions, and we are engaged in some intensive diplomacy right now. We are talking with our European friends and others about how to move ahead and those discussions continue,” McClellan said.


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He said the international community had given Iran a chance to negotiate in good faith, but instead Tehran “is showing yet again that they are going to ignore the demands of the international community, and I think that’s a serious miscalculation.”

Intense diplomatic activity continued on Wednesday, as Secretary Rice spoke several times today with UK Foreign Secretary Straw as well as once with IAEA Director El Baradei. Germany, France and Britain were expected to meet Thursday to discuss next steps. Strong statements by the so-called EU-3 involved in negotiations with Iran suggest their frustration has reached a critical level and talks are in danger of being scrapped.

Russia, a longtime ally of Iran, expressed anger as well. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov talked with Rice, and both sides shared “a deep disappointment” over Iran’s move, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

'Iranian nation is not frightened'
But Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad shrugged off the international outcry.

“Unfortunately, a group of bullies allows itself to deprive nations of their legal and natural rights,” Ahmadinejad told a crowd during a visit to the port city of Bandar Abbas. His speech was broadcast live on state-run television. “The Iranian nation is not frightened by the powers and their noise.”

Former president Hashemi Rafsanjani took a sharper tone, denouncing the West’s “colonial policy.”

“If they cause any disturbance, they will ultimately regret it,” the cleric warned in a speech for the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha, also aired on state TV.

“Even if (the Westerners) destroy our scientists, their successors would continue the job,” he said. “It would not be easy for them to solve the (nuclear) case by imposing sanctions or anything like that.”

Rafsanjani, who was Iran’s president in the 1990s, lost to Ahmadinejad in run-off elections last June. The policy of pursuing the nuclear program has become a point of national pride for many Iranians, a rare issue that crosses the reformist-conservative divide.

Rafsanjani now serves as head of the Expediency Council, a powerful body that mediates between the elected parliament and Iran’s unelected Islamic clerical leadership, which holds ultimate say in the country.

Iran rails at 'nuclear monopoly'
Iran insists its research is for peaceful energy production only. But the United States suspects Tehran has ambitions to produce nuclear weapons.

“I tell those superpowers that, with strength and prudence, Iran will pave the way to achieving peaceful nuclear energy,” Ahmadinejad said. “In the near future, (nuclear) energy will be completely carried out by the Iranian nation.”

The president accused the West of seeking to prevent Iran’s technological development and control the country by forcing it to buy nuclear fuel abroad.

“They falsely say that they oppose nuclear weapons. They want to have nuclear monopoly to sell it drop by drop at an expensive price and use it as an instrument for domination over nations,” he said.

Blair said Iran’s decision to restart its nuclear program, coupled with Ahmadinejad’s recent inflammatory comments about Israel, “cause real and serious alarm right across the world.” Ahmadinejad recently called for Israel to be “wiped off the map” and said the Holocaust was a “myth.”

German Deputy Foreign Minister Gernot Erler cautioned against referring the dispute to the Security Council, saying it could further destabilize the Middle East.

Foreign ministers from Britain, France and Germany, who have spent two years trying to persuade Iran to halt its uranium conversion and enrichment activities, will meet in Berlin on Thursday to consider their next step.
 
I feel everyone should be able to improve their way of life. If it can help make power, great, but third world countries that have fanatics and relations to certain groups, they either should not be allowed, or someone should be sitting there watching their every move while they make this crap
 
I believe its their country and they can run it how they want, the united states just wants to fucking control the world,and they need to fuck off and stop judging people on their standards and values and be open minded about other ways of life then these people wouldnt be threats to "the american way of life" because the united states wouldnt be sticking its fucking nose in everywhere causing shit.
 
theoak01 said:
I believe its their country and they can run it how they want, the united states just wants to fucking control the world,and they need to fuck off and stop judging people on their standards and values and be open minded about other ways of life then these people wouldnt be threats to "the american way of life" because the united states wouldnt be sticking its fucking nose in everywhere causing shit.

very true, plus even if they build nukes, they could only reach to the other side of Isreal I think. Would not even come close to us.
 
lardo5150 said:
very true, plus even if they build nukes, they could only reach to the other side of Isreal I think. Would not even come close to us.

exactly and if those fucks want to fight it out let them,its their fucking country and troops that will die . bush seems pretty fucking hell bent on not letting these thrid world countries troops die but has no problem sending americans into these shit holes to die for something they dont give a fuck about and has no effect on their life
 
theoak01 said:
exactly and if those fucks want to fight it out let them,its their fucking country and troops that will die . bush seems pretty fucking hell bent on not letting these thrid world countries troops die but has no problem sending americans into these shit holes to die for something they dont give a fuck about and has no effect on their life

ya no shit. Crazy, people are just fuckn crazy, why cant they just be normal like all of us :)
 
lardo5150 said:
ya no shit. Crazy, people are just fuckn crazy, why cant they just be normal like all of us :)


lol yes normal like us , imagine if some of the crazy fuckers here had control of things? 75th would be launching icbms every 10 mins
 
theoak01 said:
exactly and if those fucks want to fight it out let them,its their fucking country and troops that will die . bush seems pretty fucking hell bent on not letting these thrid world countries troops die but has no problem sending americans into these shit holes to die for something they dont give a fuck about and has no effect on their life

You did hear me when I said tact nukes yes?
 
well they want to learn about Hitler and the holocaust don't they?
wait till "lab" day
 
theoak01 said:
im not familiar with the term or what type of nuke is what

A tactical nuke is a limited yield nuke. Another name would be "battlefield nuke". We have a bunch of leftovers from the defend Germany from the Commie horde days. They can be put to good use, blowing up Russian designed breeder reactors in Iran.
 
interesting, I do still stand behind my first statement that the united states has no right dictating who gets nukes and who doesnt
 
theoak01 said:
interesting, I do still stand behind my first statement that the united states has no right dictating who gets nukes and who doesnt

Will your opinion change when one is brought to your hometown?

In world politics, the big man makes the rules.

And as much of a peaceful religion as Islam is, I will go with the "we will break your shit off" religion of the US military for now.
 
You do know Iran has a ballistic missile that can reach Italy, right? The rhetoric coming from the Iranian President-elect regarding Israel is troubling at best. As far as the US policing the world's nukes, who else is going to do it? Could you imagine Hitler or Stalin with nukes?

It was said in a movie once. I'm not worried about the guy who wants to get 20 nukes, I'm worried about the guy who just wants one.
 
The point is moot anyway. Iran keeps this up and all of a sudden thier reactor is going to fuck up and have a mysterious catastrophic accident. At the same time the US inventory will be short one tactical weapon, one bunker-busting shell, and one B-2 will deviate from its flight plan slightly, but who is gonna notice?
 
theoak01 said:
I believe its their country and they can run it how they want, the united states just wants to fucking control the world,and they need to fuck off and stop judging people on their standards and values and be open minded about other ways of life then these people wouldnt be threats to "the american way of life" because the united states wouldnt be sticking its fucking nose in everywhere causing shit.
Alice
 
theoak01 said:
I believe its their country and they can run it how they want, the united states just wants to fucking control the world,and they need to fuck off and stop judging people on their standards and values and be open minded about other ways of life then these people wouldnt be threats to "the american way of life" because the united states wouldnt be sticking its fucking nose in everywhere causing shit.


You are one stupid fuck.

I mean, really fucking stupid.
 
i dont even live in your country,but thanks for proving my point about closed minded people, its morons like you who make your entire country look bad, your must be dubyas cousin, Im sure thats it,or his fucking predidential cock polishers.
 
We might soon hear that, according to the CIA and dick Cheney, Bin Laden and 9/11 are linked to Iran :rolleyes:
 
Being Devils advocate...

Only Christians, Hebs, Commies and Chinks are allowed to have nukes ?

And so we get all PO'ed when the Muslims and Hindus get hooked up ?
 
We are all worried about them using it on people right ?

Ask yourself this
"What is the only Country in history that has ever used a Nuke on people" ?
 
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In theory, if one country has the right to have nukes then the others should have it as well. Now, real life is different. Iran is far from being stable and friendly. I wouldn't mind if Israel or the US blew up their nuclear facilities.
 
theoak01 said:
i dont even live in your country,but thanks for proving my point about closed minded people, its morons like you who make your entire country look bad, your must be dubyas cousin, Im sure thats it,or his fucking predidential cock polishers.


Sure pal, after that post of yours, any judgement you make is suspect.

Go bet your own life on Iranian restraint, other people with more sense aren't going to.
 
Y_lifter said:
We are all worried about them using it on people right ?

Ask yourself this
"What is the only Country in history that has ever used a Nuke on people" ?



Are you saying that because the US bombed Japan in WW II after Japan attacked the US, that it is acceptable for Iran to nuke someone?


I wonder why people even write crap like this.
 
AristotleBC said:
Are you saying that because the US bombed Japan in WW II after Japan attacked the US, that it is acceptable for Iran to nuke someone?


I wonder why people even write crap like this.
well we did back Imperial Japan into a corner
and it was unnecessary to nuke Japan to conclude the war
it was more about showing the Russians our new toys
 
Y_lifter said:
Being Devils advocate...

Only Christians, Hebs, Commies and Chinks are allowed to have nukes ?

And so we get all PO'ed when the Muslims and Hindus get hooked up ?

Exactly.
 
AristotleBC said:
You are one stupid fuck.

I mean, really fucking stupid.

Why? Because his opinion differs from yours? If you can't add anything to the discussion except insults then I don't think oak01 is the one that needs to fuck off.
 
couples and families have a hard time getting along in the same household
do you really think it's prudent to allow every swinging dick nation to have nuclear weapons?
 
4everhung said:
couples and families have a hard time getting along in the same household
do you really think it's prudent to allow every swinging dick nation to have nuclear weapons?

Nope but it's always interesting who the US 'allows' to pursue such programs and who they censure.
 
AristotleBC said:
Are you saying that because the US bombed Japan in WW II after Japan attacked the US, that it is acceptable for Iran to nuke someone?
I wonder why people even write crap like this.

No I'm not saying it is acceptable or not for anyone to bomb anyone be it conventional or nuclear.
Wars happen, People die from various things in them, nothing will change that.


My crap as you put it was related to a non proliferation concept that I logically understand, but find to be a double standard in that those that already have NUCLEAR technology are some how Grandfathered into the Nuke club and are better than. That list includes a wide variety of ethnic, religious and social economic countries.

But those that do not currently have it are not allowed to even research with it. Because they are apparantly not smart enough or Moral enough to handle it peacefully or even as a deterrent in fear they may actually USE it on humans as a weapon of mass destruction when they choose.

And my main point was that the country that is mostly behind this Non proliferation concept, and who can and cannot manage this deadly power/responsibility, was indeed the only one to actually USE Nuclear Bombs on people.
 
bluepeter said:
Why? Because his opinion differs from yours? If you can't add anything to the discussion except insults then I don't think oak01 is the one that needs to fuck off.


That was my opinion of his opinion.
 
Y_lifter said:
Being Devils advocate...

Only Christians, Hebs, Commies and Chinks are allowed to have nukes ?

And so we get all PO'ed when the Muslims and Hindus get hooked up ?


We were quite unhappy with Russia and China having the bomb too, we just didn't stop it.


I don't see why some of you sit around and philosophize about this; the US and other nations do not want nuclear weapons in the hands of nations who are likely to use that weaponry.


I think its amusing to watch some of the members here like Bluepeter try to come up with rationalizations for why it isn't acceptable for the US and other nations to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.

Amusing up to the point where he actually has some impact on policy, then that idiocy goes from funny to problemsome.
 
bluepeter said:
Nope but it's always interesting who the US 'allows' to pursue such programs and who they censure.
Iran and North Korea?
and you have a problem?
 
Who GAVE the Jews the bomb ?
Who GAVE the Brits the bomb ?

Blows away the concept that we don't want others to have it IMO..
 
AristotleBC said:
I didn't say others, I said the Chinese and Russians
hell look what happened to the Russians using nuclear energy for power
 
theoak01 said:
lol yes normal like us , imagine if some of the crazy fuckers here had control of things? 75th would be launching icbms every 10 mins
You have no idea.
 
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