Thoughts/Advice on Cycle

[Theboss123]

Before I start my post, sorry to the username "acneman" during my last post. I wasn't purposely trying to offend or insult you. I had saw that you were a professional bodybuilder with your title and wouldn't put you down on that at all, I just didn't understand your post.

In my last post I forgot to say this. I'm a personal trainer trying to gain weight partly because a lot of the people I work with are my size and it's hard to maintain a job or make people take you seriously when they are the same size as you. I'm 18, 5 '11, 195lb, 8.5% body fat. (Please refrain from posting all of the possible side effects due to my age, I am aware of them. It is unlikely for extended side effects or long term side effects to occur unless you are constantly doing cycles. I am planning on doing 1 cycle to get my weight up and then waiting a couple years before I start anymore.)

I'm just wondering what do people think of this as a bulking cycle.

Week 1 - 30mgs Dbol/Day, 200mgs Andriol/Day
Week 2 - 35mgs Dbol/Day, 240mgs Andriol/Day, 50mgs Anadrol/Day
Week 3 - 35mgs Dbol/Day, 240mgs Andriol/Day, 100mgs Anadrol/Day
Week 4 - 40mgs Dbol/Day, 280mgs Andriol/Day, 150mgs Anadrol/Day
Week 5 - 40mgs Dbol/Day, 280mgs Andriol/Day, 100mgs Anadrol/Day
Week 6 - 35mgs Dbol/Day, 240mgs Andriol/Day, 50 mgs Anadrol/Day
Week 7 - 35mgs Dbol/Day, 240mgs Andriol/Day
Week 8 - 30mgs Dbol/Day, 200mgs Andriol/Day

Week 1-8 -- 0.5mg Arimidex/Day

Week 9 - 100mgs Clomid/Day
Week 10 - 50mgs Clomid/Day
Week 11 - 50mgs Clomid/Day

Please just give your advice/thoughts.

 

[mookie]

Through in some halo at 100mg ed and your liver will be done in a week instead of about 4. Don't touch steroids you have alot of learning to do.

 

[acneman]

Before I start my post, sorry to the username "acneman" during my last post. I wasn't purposely trying to offend or insult you. I had saw that you were a professional bodybuilder with your title and wouldn't put you down on that at all, I just didn't understand your post.
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im not a pro bodybuilder as anyone who has seen my pics can attest
thats a title this site gives to people automatically. im just an old man who has some knowledge of the topics discussed on this site

i was under the impression that you were an alter ego of someone on this site
trying to get people riled up. i have been informed you are not an alter of cob man
while i have not given the idea that you might be an alter up i will treat you as real and try to respond to your post.
i hope that dosent offend you. and i was not offended by your post so stand by while i review your questions and try to help

 

[mlong23]

You do need to wait, mainly because after you start you more than likely won't wait for a few years to start again. Your 18, which means you probably still don't know what you are doing in terms of eating and training properly. Big deal if you a personal trainer, over half of them don't know shit about proper form and what type of program to do.

I am 25 and am still learning more in terms of what works for me besides just taking steroids. Learn your body first, give it at least a year or two and then hit the stuff. During that time you should be learning as much as possible. I tried learning about steroids for a year or two before I bought my first cycle.

For your cycle, too much dbol, don't know about andriol and anadrol doesn't need to be over 50 for a 1st cycle. Really shouldn't be touching anadrol until you got a few cycles under your belt. No need to do a prymaid either.

After thinking about this, your whole post is starting to piss me off because you are young and stupid. Quit being a pussy and do injectables, which will work better.

End result after your steroids - gain probalby 20-30 lbs. Few weeks later, lose about 15-30 lbs. Your young and stupid and will either jump right back on steroids and feel depressed. The weight you gain will probably be 1/2 fat because you probably don't eat correctly. You not only will be fat but you will be bloated (unless you don't drink enough water, which you probably won't.) If you decide to drink enough water, have fun pissing every 10 minutes because your going to need that much water to try and keep your body healthy while hitting it with two strong orals.

Where the fuck did you get your cycle from?

 

[Mac173]

That's a horrible cycle and everyone is going to tell you the same thing. DONT DO ORAL ONLY CYCLES.
If you are going to do a cycle (which you probably shouldn't) then try this

test e 500mg/wk wks 1-10
dbol 30mg/ed wks 1-4

And don't start until you have a proper pct in place.

 

[acneman]

please read all of this as it took a lot of time and thought to put together

(Please refrain from posting all of the possible side effects due to my age, I am aware of them. It is unlikely for extended side effects or long term side effects to occur unless you are constantly doing cycles. I am planning on doing 1 cycle to get my weight up and then waiting a couple years before I start anymore.)
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this first and remember to not be offended because i am taking all possible care to answer you questions with tact and truth

you cannot be aware of them because your basic philosophy about them is flawed.
the sides that are dependant on age do not have to be multiple cycles.
one cycle at your age will alter the growth plates of the long bones in your body possibly preventing you from gaining any more height. your organs especially your kidneys and liver are very vulnerable at this age. you should wait a minimum of 5 years to do your first cycle.

since you are a personal trainer you have the knowledge to make steady gains during these 5 years and possibly get to a point that you will decide not to do them at all.
understanding the pressure to excel in your field i put this to you.
professional body builders all have trainers to assist them and almost all if not every single one is smaller than the pro's they train. many of the most famous minds in the fitness world are not that big and some are not even that fit. your knowledge is what people will pay for not your body size.
i have recieved training from a female personal trainer. i out weighed her by 100 lbs and listened with the utmost attention to what she told me. why? because she knew what she was doing.
your ability to get jobs and hold jobs and clients will rely on two things. can you guess what the are? its not size and muscles.
its knowledge and confidence.
your confidence will get you in the door and your knowledge will keep them coming back.
make sure you know your shit. not just have a certificate. strive to know it all. make the knowledge your own. and you will have no problem with this anymore.

I'm just wondering what do people think of this as a bulking cycle.

Week 1 - 30mgs Dbol/Day, 200mgs Andriol/Day
Week 2 - 35mgs Dbol/Day, 240mgs Andriol/Day, 50mgs Anadrol/Day
Week 3 - 35mgs Dbol/Day, 240mgs Andriol/Day, 100mgs Anadrol/Day
Week 4 - 40mgs Dbol/Day, 280mgs Andriol/Day, 150mgs Anadrol/Day
Week 5 - 40mgs Dbol/Day, 280mgs Andriol/Day, 100mgs Anadrol/Day
Week 6 - 35mgs Dbol/Day, 240mgs Andriol/Day, 50 mgs Anadrol/Day
Week 7 - 35mgs Dbol/Day, 240mgs Andriol/Day
Week 8 - 30mgs Dbol/Day, 200mgs Andriol/Day

Week 1-8 -- 0.5mg Arimidex/Day

Week 9 - 100mgs Clomid/Day
Week 10 - 50mgs Clomid/Day
Week 11 - 50mgs Clomid/Day

Please just give your advice/thoughts.

honestly????
it sux
no all oral cycle will give you what you are trying to achieve and the sides are much worse than using injectable steroids. at one point you are taking 470 mg of orals a day. do you not realise what that will do to you?
when you show up to work with yellow skin and eyes, looking like you are gonna fall over and die, every one in the gym is gonna know what you are doing.
and the vets are just gonna shake there heads and write you off as a lost cause.
and when your done and lose all you have gained and then lose some more because of poor post cycle therapy and low natural tes levels where will you be???? working at mcdonalds.
*EDIT* read up on Andriol and found out it has a minimal effect on the liver (And minimal effect as a steroid)however at a dose of 40mgs Dbol/Day, 150mgs Anadrol/Day you are very likely to have the exact same sides i described as anadrol is one of the harshist compounds on your liver found in the bodybuilding world. i could use some learnin on orals even if i dont ever plan to use them.*EDIT*

I planned to give my self 4-8 weeks rest of them between cycles. .

all time on of steroids should at least equal time off.
this means if you use an 8 week cycle you should not start again untill 8 weeks past completion of post cycle therapy

I was thinking of adding Testosterone Enanthate but then I'm 18, I'm already at my peak for Testosterone thats why thats not in there..

this also shows fundamental flaws in your plan as shortly after you start that cycle you will have no natural tes production anymore.
thats why you use pct. to start the natural testosterone flow again.


dont take my word for it. read this board and learn. at least 5 different people have told you already that you are "humping up the wrong leg" with this plan. people that i respect and listen too.

all you have to say is "im gonna do it anyway." and i will never bother or flame you in any way
if you are in fact someones alter ego then they need to give me karma as this took about 30 minutes to compose and type

good luck and i hope you think about this hard
i did

 

[dsh89]

Oral only cycles are mostly crap. Andriol is absolute shit that will give you the shits. And 3 orals is VERY hard on your liver. Young man, seriously, this is a horrible cycle, and any gains you made you quickly diappear afterwards. Even just dbol and Anadrol together is rediculous IMO.

 

[gettnlarge01]

Buy 2 bottles of test and run it at 500mg/wk for 10wks!! Your liver will thank you

 

[Theboss123]

Thanks for the posts. I forget the website that I got this from for whoever asked, I didn't make it. 500mg Test. Enanthate week 1-10 and Dbol 30mg week 1-4 as one person said, I could try that instead. The reason I put Andriol as a test. product is that it is hard for me to get test. enanthate, how ever I can for a price if needed and if it will hurt my liver if I dont.

To whoever was commenting on my diet/water. I'm on a 60% protein, 30%carb, 10% fat diet. I spread it out to eating every 2-3 hours and I normally drink 1-2 gallons of water a day (yes it is fun pissing every 10 minutes as you said).

Have any of you tried the test enanthate and dbol cycle that was mentioned?

 

[Knights2]

srf173 said it...if you are going to do a cycle...even though you should wait...but you basically already made your mind to do it then srf173 said it....500 mgs of test e each week...30mgs of dbol ed....and hav nolva and clomid on hand...and if you can actually inject...then grab some hcg...you really need some research though bro...and to reallllyyy consider what your about to do

 

[acneman]

all you have to say is "im gonna do it anyway." and i will never bother or flame you in any way

i knew it
but i promised so ........
seacrest out

 

[bighippie11]

dang man if you did that first cycle you'd have a 80% chance of needing a liver transplant lol. 500mg test/wk. you really don't even need the dbol but you should be fine if you do decide to do it. PCT is crucial bud, don't skip it thinking it's not that important. it's just as important as the cycle.

 

[Theboss123]

Week 1 - 100mg Clomid
Week 2 - 50mg Clomid
Week 3 - 50 mg Clomid
(Weeks start after the cycle is over btw)
Do that as standard pct or add 0.5mg Arimidex each day through out the cycle also?

 

[Ulter]

Oral steroids are used to enhance a cycle not build one out of.
That may be one the worst cycles I have ever seen posted. The andriol is what puts it in the top 5 for sure.

You are going to tax your liver, put on about 15 pounds, 10 will be water, and you'll lose everything by Valentine's Day.

 

[Theboss123]

As the "Chairman of the board", I would have hoped you would actually read my other posts and found out that I wasn't planning on using that cycle I was asking about the test. enanthate and dbol cycle that was mentioned.

 

[peteefs]

im 24 on my 3rd cycle, i agree way to young but a better course would be the test e 500mg, 30mg dbol. im on that plus 200mg deca and my gains have been fantastic. just make sure your giving your body time to rest, your a personal trainer so you know how important post workout nutrition is, eating high protein but i wouldn't go as high as 60%.

Keeping the training intense but not overtraining, we hear it a million times but so many people i know hit burn out half way in to a course. And as people have said post course HCG and clomid, post course i also use creatine, high amounts of L-glutamine, bcaa anything to keep cortisol levels down.

Good luck mate

 

[Top-Notch]

a Dbol only cycle? Your liver is going to beg for mercy dude. And all the water your going to have in retarted.....Its not even going to look good or anything like that. First cycle should be something easy and simple.

Sustanon or Test E - 400mg/week 8 weeks
Dbol - 30mg/day 4 weeks

boom thats wat u want to do

 

[acneman]

As the "Chairman of the board", I would have hoped you would actually read my other posts and found out that I wasn't planning on using that cycle I was asking about the test. enanthate and dbol cycle that was mentioned.

Thanks for the posts. I forget the website that I got this from for whoever asked, I didn't make it. 500mg Test. Enanthate week 1-10 and Dbol 30mg week 1-4 as one person said, I could try that instead. The reason I put Andriol as a test. product is that it is hard for me to get test. enanthate, how ever I can for a price if needed and if it will hurt my liver if I dont.

To whoever was commenting on my diet/water. I'm on a 60% protein, 30%carb, 10% fat diet. I spread it out to eating every 2-3 hours and I normally drink 1-2 gallons of water a day (yes it is fun pissing every 10 minutes as you said).

Have any of you tried the test enanthate and dbol cycle that was mentioned?

Originally Posted by acneman
all you have to say is "im gonna do it anyway." and i will never bother or flame you in any way

im gonna edit my comment to

Originally Posted by acneman
all you have to say is "im gonna do it anyway." and i will never bother or flame you in any way about your cycle or choice to use gear

now let me say this
i hate having to back step on what i said but understand im still abiding by the spirit of what i said if not the letter

so......
you got a smart mouth boy.
of course what can one expect from an 18 year old child
you dont know shit about gear and im startin to doubt you work out at all
you come on with the smart ass comments to the people on this board that are tryin to help(im not talkin about the cob man post i made)

look here son
i dont get along with ulter and dont respond to his posts anymore
but his advice is sound in this matter
and that tiny little comment of "i might want to try test enathate but it costs a lot what do you guys think" is not enought to be talkin shit to people on this board.

every thing else ,except that tiny little comment, is about your stupid oral only abortion that will make you sick and turn you into the poster child for the politicians who use gear as thier whipping boy.

i can see it now
look what happend to this poor child. gear is evil and anyone who uses it should be put in prison for thier own protection.

close your fuckin mouth and open your fuckin ears idiot

 

[markmark]

buy your plot and casket before strarting your cycle my friend...try just test 250mg. for first time cycle or better advice wait a few more years

 

[solidspine]

Oral steroids are used to enhance a cycle not build one out of.
That may be one the worst cycles I have ever seen posted. The andriol is what puts it in the top 5 for sure.

Ditto,

 

[Theboss123]

I wasn't putting Ulter down, all I was saying was that I wasn't talking about the oral cycle that I understood everything you said about it that it would be too hard on my liver and that I was talking about a test. enanthate and dbol cycle.

 

[mlong23]

I wasn't putting Ulter down, all I was saying was that I wasn't talking about the oral cycle that I understood everything you said about it that it would be too hard on my liver and that I was talking about a test. enanthate and dbol cycle.

You are still too young and too ignorant. What don't you understand about this? You ask questions, but yet you do little research about something that you are willing to put into your body. You are going to start messing around with hormones and have not a clue as to what drugs will do what.

Since you are going to do what you want, do this cycle:

20mgs of dbol a day for 4-5 weeks
400mgs of test cyp of enan for 8-10 weeks

You do not need to do the higher dosages that were said before. For a first time cycle there is no need to do any higher dosages than this. See how you body responds, and then you can up the dosage for the next cycle, but you probably won't need to until you do a few cycles at this level. Especially if you rotate drugs, which you should do.

Have a pct in plan, do a search on clomid, nolvadex and hcg.

You never answered my question about clen, do you know anything about that drug or did you just take it because your friend did?

 

[nisser512]

Edit: Nm!