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Those worried about overtraining are scared!!

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Abbaddon

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Now I am not saying that it doesnt happen, but there are so many posts with people being worried about whether or not they are overtraining or not. Guys here it is if the bodypart is still sore from the previous workout of that bodypart dont work it. I love the guys who are like well I did 25 sets for chest today is that overtraining. I train till the point that the muscles are completely done/blown/exhausted now there are workouts when it only takes 10 sets such as a very very heavy leg day and there are days when it takes up to 35 sets such as a moderate weight back day. I dont stop till the muscle is done now I prefer that it be in as few sets as possible for time purposes, but that is not always what the body wants.

I just see so many guys here worried about overtraining. Yet the nutrition board is almost empty. Take really good care of your nutrition and overtraining becomes far less likely. Get good rest and overtraining becomes far less likely. Overtraining is what 15 year old boys to when they bench press everyday. If you do 25 sets instead of 24 your arms will not loose an inch due to the dreaded overtraining.

Work out hard intense and often. Watch your nutrition very very carefully/ get at least 8 hours of sleep in a day and stretch your muscles out everyday. If your still sore dont work that bodypart that day. Listen to your body. Dont be so worried about the dreaded overtraining. If your so worried about that it seems that you may be undertraining.

Just my .02

Later
 
Overtraining to many seems to be an excuse to not work as hard. Granted, there are the risks of overtraining, but many dudes at my gym wont really pump out an extra rep because "overtraining".
Get the myth debunked on both sides - it helps.
 
My sentiments exactly! I am so sick and tired of hearing people talk about ot. Oh my god you spent two hours in the gym today and all that you worked was chest! You are definitely overtraining. Bullshit! When/If you do overtrain you will know it for sure. I would love to hear what some of these peoples ot symptoms are. Sore muscles do not mean ot, sore the next few days does not mean ot, working a bodypart for two-three hours does not mean ot! Now if after working out really hard you feel like you have the flu or something for the next few days, you MIGHT have overtrained. But even that does not totally dictate that you have overtrained. Really now do people on this board really know what exactly it means to overtrain. If you think that doing more than a few sets/reps of something automatically means overtraining, then maybe what it really means is that you are lazy and not working out hard enough. Out....
 
agree Abaddon

a pro told me once 'there's no such thing as overtraining, only under-eating & under-resting'.
You can train as hard as you want to, if you will eat & rest to accomodate it.
 
My opinion on the subject is much like my name on the board HIGHINtensiTY. I look at a lot of these work out plans and it's 9 sets of Chest and done. Going to the gym is a war with your body and the weights. You should push yourself to the brink of no return. So what if you do 20 Set's of chest, just as long as you mix it up and push yourself until your chest ready to explode. Then like the above posts stated REST, don't flood your body with beer and drugs, don't smoke and eat well, you'll be find.

In fact I like to rest only 20 secs in between sets and reps for added acrobic workout.

IT's all about the INTENSITY
 
Wow. Regression.


Actually, some good points made here. But many people restrict their workouts to an hour or less for more than just avoiding overtraining.

-Stimulate, don't annihilate.

-You're probably not working out your hardest after 2 hours. it's physically impossible. What's the point of even being there, then?

-You can eat like a pig and sleep all day, but damaging your muscles more than they can repair by your next session is counterproductive. It's possible to damage them so much that by the time they've healed, the detraining effect has already occurred.

Just a few things to keep in mind. I could do more, but i realize this wasn't the purpose of this thread.

To me, once you've blasted a muscle group once or twice, what's the purpose of blasting it again in the same session? You've already asked it to grow; stop hitting the button for your floor in the elevator when the doors are already closing. You're not going to stimulate greater growth (unless you've undertrained), so it's truly counterproductive.
 
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Belial- why not, not resting inbetween sets follows the Russian lifting method. It has been discovered that lifting this way forces your body to produce more GH. Plus it cuts you up, have you ever heard of Adam Achaletta(check spelling). He uses this method and weighs 210 pounds while pressing over 500 bench. Oh yea he also plays for the rams.
 
I was overtraining for a year, I was working myself until I had to drop my bench down to 50lbs or less, just to get a few more pumps in. I was doing this once a week, not everyday. I went from a 36 inch chest to a 37 inch chest. I have been training correctly now for 4 weeks, doing 9 sets of chest only working to failure for the LAST rep. I went from a 37 inch chest to a 38.5 inch chest. Can anyone explain to me why I got gains in 4 weeks that took me a year to achieve before? It doesn't even matter that I was eatting like shit before, I would have gained atleast 2 inchs. That only thing I can come up with is overtraining.

Besides all that, arn't the results what REALLY matter? Fuck, if you can do 1 set and get huge, isnt that all anyone cares about? People who don't know when they are overtraining are newbies and can't listen to their bodies because they have neglected them for so long that it lost all communication - thus overtraining and undertraining occurs because they just don't know what is the right time to quit. Their bodies won't tell them and they have to use common sense "Well, I can barely lift this rep - perhaps I shouldn't do another."
 
HighIntensity said:
Belial- why not, not resting inbetween sets follows the Russian lifting method. It has been discovered that lifting this way forces your body to produce more GH. Plus it cuts you up, have you ever heard of Adam Achaletta(check spelling). He uses this method and weighs 210 pounds while pressing over 500 bench. Oh yea he also plays for the rams.
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Hey, there's no saying it can't be a great way to train. Let's not forget gear. lol.

Still, to make the next set worthwhile, your body's gotta recover (get the oxygen back to those cells, replenish their fuel (ATP, CP, etc.)) blah de blah. Yeah. Point being, if you're doing the next set before you've recovered, there's no way in hell your body will be able to put 100% of its energy into it. Therefore, you won't do as hard or as big a set as you'd like, and it might end up being a wasted set. Why not wait the minute and do a set that's twice as good?
 
Abbaddon said:
Now I am not saying that it doesnt happen, but there are so many posts with people being worried about whether or not they are overtraining or not. Guys here it is if the bodypart is still sore from the previous workout of that bodypart dont work it. I love the guys who are like well I did 25 sets for chest today is that overtraining. I train till the point that the muscles are completely done/blown/exhausted now there are workouts when it only takes 10 sets such as a very very heavy leg day and there are days when it takes up to 35 sets such as a moderate weight back day. I dont stop till the muscle is done now I prefer that it be in as few sets as possible for time purposes, but that is not always what the body wants.

I just see so many guys here worried about overtraining. Yet the nutrition board is almost empty. Take really good care of your nutrition and overtraining becomes far less likely. Get good rest and overtraining becomes far less likely. Overtraining is what 15 year old boys to when they bench press everyday. If you do 25 sets instead of 24 your arms will not loose an inch due to the dreaded overtraining.

Work out hard intense and often. Watch your nutrition very very carefully/ get at least 8 hours of sleep in a day and stretch your muscles out everyday. If your still sore dont work that bodypart that day. Listen to your body. Dont be so worried about the dreaded overtraining. If your so worried about that it seems that you may be undertraining.

Just my .02

Later
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bwahahaha. Thanks I needed a good laugh today. I was feeling down. :D
 
great points here

like the quote from above............. "there is no over-traing......just under eating and recovering

thats true....... like belial said.......you can do incredible amounts of training........ on gear

but for the natural....... its harder........... you have to go at it scientifically

but i agree with everyone........ shut up about overtraining..............

3 things are required to grow

1........ stimulation (training)
2.........recooperation(back to where you were before the workout)
3.........growth(allow your body an extra day or two after soreness is gone to recover)

it just takes a little common sense and you will be ok
 
guys- that same pro who said there is no such thing as overtraining only undereating and whatever else... is also probably on 10 i.u. of GH a day, 1 gram of test a week etc...
overtraining can occur with even 7-8 sets a bodypart especially if the intensity is high. come on bros use common sense
 
ahadpour28 said:
Aabbadon - I reccomond you stop reading muscle mags.
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I hear ya ahadpour. I just re-read this thread a second time today cause I needed another chuckle. Mission accomplished.
 
I don't see how it is possible to do more then 10 or so sets for most body parts, legs exempt. I do 7-10 sets for most body parts and my muscles are toasted after a workout. Forget about doing a shit load of sets that is stupid and very catabolic, unless you are on gear of course, just do a few high intensity sets and keep the weight and high and progressive and like he said get proper rest and eat right.
 
ahadpour28 and avatar its not that I said it was impossible I said that far too many people on this board are worried about it and use it as an excuse not to hit it hard. Now if you two want to post your workout and a pic I will post mine and we will see. I love it when guys come on here and think that they know all. I dont know all and I have been in the gym for 15 yrs. You two keep laughing and I will keep getting bigger. I dont say people should stay in the gym 3 hours a day I say they hit it as hard as they can and stop thinking about overtraining, they are using that as an excuse and that is what my common sense tells me. Have a good day and if you guys ever want to stop by Myrtle drop me a line and you can spot me with the 115 dumbbells for 6-8 on military.

Oh and ahadpour28 you think I made you laugh at this post your post on the anabolic board about what cycles you should be taking cause you have crohn's disease now that is a laugher. You ignorant idiot listen to your doctor and live a little longer, the lack of value you have in your own life to want to take any kind of drug your doc doesnt prescribe for you with that disease is true humor.
 
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I agree with that comment about training while sore. I did that to bring my arms up to par with the rest of my body. I would thrash them down for a few days in a row, I'm talking like 30+ sets each day, and then be sore for next 5 days. But in the following week I would go easy, eat big and I would get huge gains. Now I do it about every 3rd week on my arms, I find its too draining to do anymore often than that. I know another guy who does that on his calves and they are probably one of his better bodyparts now.
 
It's almost impossible to "overtrain" in the traditional sense while on JUICE!!!

However everyone isn't willing to take the risk associated with steriods.

For some on this board all you do is lift. For others here you lift and do martial arts, cross training, swimming, man whore football, soccer, whatever. So then it would be logical to assume that the latter group has an extra stress factor that should be included into the formula.

IMO write up a routine and follow it, if that dosn't work then change it up. Or shoot from the hip and work out when you feel like it. If you end up looking like "Fat Bastard" then that's on you. Deal with it, I'm not going to treat you any different if you look like Ron Coleman or Booker from Good Times.
 
abbaddon are you natural or do you juice?

And when you make these statements about it being ok to do 30+ sets / muscle group or whatever are you saying that its fine for only people who are on AS, or ALL trainees, natural or not?

You post a pic of you at 18 or 19 y.o. and I'll post one of me. We'll see who was bigger and who could lift more.
Unfortunately I don't have 15 years of training under my belt. I would have had to start when I was 3.
 
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well avatar I am all natural and when I go with very high sets such as 30 its on a more of an isometrics day trying to use simply my body weight, ever seen a gymnasts build that is why. Now I understand what your saying but since you are just 18 you might come to the conclusion that you dont know it all and maybe you should listen. I never to proclaim that I know it all I dont know even a fraction of what there is to know about our lifestyle. My point to this thread is people use the overtraining thing as an excuse not to try as hard as they can or should. So many for so long on this board are worried about whether they are overtraining but you dont get the questions on how they can make it more intense. It was and is an opinion of mine that I voiced in a thread. Like it, dont like it I dont care. However we are not talking age here. We are talking the present and you wanting a pic of me from 12 years ago is just another example of an excuse. If you would like to compare we can compare now. I know that when I was your age and had only been in the gym for 3 years I tried to keep my opinions to myself as much as possible and just tried to learn. Now I still try to listen and learn as much as possible but I also give advice, in fact I get paid to do so. So before you knock my workouts maybe you should ask me why I do it that way you may learn a thing or two and if you do that with everyone you meet in this lifestyle maybe you wouldnt feel you need to compare yourself to me when I was 18 maybe you would want to compare yourself to me know.


By the way when I was 18 I was recovering from a clean break in my C-5 so congratulations you probably look better than I did in the neck brace.
 
"By the way when I was 18 I was recovering from a clean break in my C-5 so congratulations you probably look better than I did in the neck brace."

Naw dude, you were just making excuses, and not being intense enough.
 
lol thats good bro but actually I didnt loose all that much size while I was in the brace gained weight because I was able to eat so much and not do cardio. lol but the rehab workouts were more intense than anything I ever went through, they are what made me decide to change into this the working out lifestyle. Glad you made this comment though cause it gave me a lot of new ideas to change up in my workouts now. Thanks bro.
 
Any of you boys heard of dorian yates and read his book "The Warriors Story "read it.He basically says that when a muscle is pumped to its full potentional then it dosnt matter how many more sets you do it will not get any bigger,and he says he can achieve that pump in 1 all out set per exercise not including his warm ups,makes you think is it worth doing 20 sets per bodypart.
 
Abbaddon said:
well avatar I am all natural and when I go with very high sets such as 30 its on a more of an isometrics day trying to use simply my body weight, ever seen a gymnasts build that is why. Now I understand what your saying but since you are just 18 you might come to the conclusion that you dont know it all and maybe you should listen. I never to proclaim that I know it all I dont know even a fraction of what there is to know about our lifestyle. My point to this thread is people use the overtraining thing as an excuse not to try as hard as they can or should. So many for so long on this board are worried about whether they are overtraining but you dont get the questions on how they can make it more intense. It was and is an opinion of mine that I voiced in a thread. Like it, dont like it I dont care. However we are not talking age here. We are talking the present and you wanting a pic of me from 12 years ago is just another example of an excuse. If you would like to compare we can compare now. I know that when I was your age and had only been in the gym for 3 years I tried to keep my opinions to myself as much as possible and just tried to learn. Now I still try to listen and learn as much as possible but I also give advice, in fact I get paid to do so. So before you knock my workouts maybe you should ask me why I do it that way you may learn a thing or two and if you do that with everyone you meet in this lifestyle maybe you wouldnt feel you need to compare yourself to me when I was 18 maybe you would want to compare yourself to me know.


By the way when I was 18 I was recovering from a clean break in my C-5 so congratulations you probably look better than I did in the neck brace.
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hahaha, wow you don't want to compare pics of you when you were 18-19 and training for 3 years but you will compare pics with me when you got 15 some years on me? just doesn't prove your methods of ultra high volume are any better than my methods. I could post a pic of Dorian Yates if you wanted. He's a firm believer in low volume.

I personally believe in hit style workouts to be superior to high volume. 6-8 sets for large muscle groups at the most but 3-4 sets would suffice. These are of course taken to complete failure.

I will agree with you that not trying for that extra rep because of fear of overtrain is bull. I believe in complete concentric failure.

I just think 30 sets or whatever for a muscle group is over kill. And who has time to spend hours in the gym anyways when you can get the same effect in like 40 min?
 
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I will agree with you that not trying for that extra rep because of fear of overtrain is bull. I believe in complete concentric failure.

I just think 30 sets or whatever for a muscle group is over kill. And who has time to spend hours in the gym anyways when you can get the same effect in like 40 min?
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hey bro we kinda see things the same then. whenever I do huge sets it is as I said on isometric days using pretty much my own bodyweight in a bootcamp style workout. I use this to shock muscle groups. your comment above about it being bull not going for the extra rep is what I started this thread about. Maybe I didnt word it correctly. As for the dorrian yates thing there are other pros such as Lee Priest who has had a few interesting articles such as this one

www.flexonline.com/magazines/magVie...A31}&curcatID=447&SuperCID=447&CID=B&SubCID=A

it still depends upon the person but as I said you saying that not going for that last set is bs. We may not see eye to eye on everything as each person needs to find what works for them. My point is dont use the overtraining thing as a way not to try to find that way.
 
flex4life said:
agree Abaddon

a pro told me once 'there's no such thing as overtraining, only under-eating & under-resting'.
You can train as hard as you want to, if you will eat & rest to accomodate it.
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That is so wrong!

It is a supplement companies dream about "there is no overtraining, just over eating"!!!
 
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