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nickb86

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Ive read and looked about and have finally decided on my 1st cycle choice.
Im 25 6ft 4, 210lbs diet and routines are sorted and have tained hard for afew years.


Had some time off with an op and shoulder problem, gonna take some time to build up again before starting but will get everything ready for the start.


I had some questions about my pct and wanted to get a thorough examining

My Cycle:
Wk 1-12 500mg/wk sustanon shot once a week Mon / or twice a week 250mg-mon/thurs.
Wk 6-12 Hcgenerate
Wk 13-17 Post cycle/unleashed combo
Wk 13-19 Forma stanzol (5pumps am & pm)
? possibly bridge ?
? Hcg ?


I decided to start the PCT soon after the last pin upon reccomendation from needto and from reading others posts (jentic nelson etc), so will probably go with this unless people think otherwise ?


With the Hcgenerate could i start it in week 8 or would that be too late (guessing it would be) ? Is starting week in 6 ok should i maybe start it earlier (eg. wk 4) ?


Would i require any Hcg for a cycle like this bearing i mind i will run the hcgenerate while on cycle ?
If i did would i require any while "on cycle" at any point ? Or before the pct would start ? If so what times/wk would you use ?

Would the use of Clomid be beneficial to me at all as i have the Forma-stanzol on hand ?
Would the forma and the post cycle, test boosters etc be enough ? if i did need clomid why ?
Dont really wana take anything i dont have too and have read alot of different opinions so thought id ask.

Any opinions reccomendations etc are welcome on any aspects of the cycle aswell as the questions so please say what you like.....
thanks nick
 
As a first cycle go with a basic test e cycle even throw in some var if you want to shred up a little. Use your first cycle to get a good feel for it and keep the ester simple to see how your body reacts.

1-10 test e 500mg wk
1-6 anavar 60mg day
8-10 hcg 500iu mon and wed
1-8 liv52 or equal
4-10 forma stanzol

Pct
13-18Unleashed post cycle combo
10-18Forma stanzol
11-18Hcgenerate
10-18 Daa powerhews


This is my suggestion. Maybe some people will chime in and change up some stuff on this but it's a good start...

Should have asked before... What's your bf%
 
Lots of questions bro, I'll answer a couple with my opinion...

Don't worry about hcg, with the hcgenerate you should be fine.

I'd add some clomid at a low dose if you can get some, why? Because it is tried and true method of pct and It WILL help with recovery.
Clomid and forma are two totally different things and both would be beneficial
 
ok cool thanks Noodles and Typo i was wondering whether test e would be another good choice instead of the sust id read that higher dosages of sust are better and 500mg migt be abit to low ? (bearing in mind 1st cycle 4 me)

I know that clomid and forma are different and clomid is proven as much as it can be, but i think if i remember they serve to do the same function which is to deal with estrogen levels in return raising test,

i just dont wana take anything i dont need to
both for wallet and health so was just wondering if any1 could explain why i might need both of them and what the differences in the way they behave are ?

Also at what dosage and timing in my cycle would i use the clomid ?
thanks guys please feel free to say what you want....
 
nickb86 said:
ok cool thanks Noodles and Typo i was wondering whether test e would be another good choice instead of the sust id read that higher dosages of sust are better and 500mg migt be abit to low ? (bearing in mind 1st cycle 4 me)

I know that clomid and forma are different and clomid is proven as much as it can be, but i think if i remember they serve to do the same function which is to deal with estrogen levels in return raising test,

i just dont wana take anything i dont need to
both for wallet and health so was just wondering if any1 could explain why i might need both of them and what the differences in the way they behave are ?

Also at what dosage and timing in my cycle would i use the clomid ?
thanks guys please feel free to say what you want....
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Ill be honest, idk enough about clomid to say anything. if you want a vigorous pct i would add it in, i just dont know how. being honest here... id rather give no advice than lie to you and hurt someone. Someone else has to chime in for that. i know its text book pct with a test cycle and stimulates the balls.
for a first cycle id run a strong pct to ensure proper recovery... better to have ur natty test flying through the roof and have a smooth full recovery than to not run it strong enough and fall behind... thats my opinion.. .
also keep in mind, pct is as much diet as it is chems. and supps. ive been reading and learning more and more.. read other posts on what your looking at.. ull find out a lot u didnt know and should know. read read read and research then ask questions..
 
Ideal PCT would be

Clomid 50/25/12.5/12.5
Post cycle
Unleashed
Formastanozol

Clomid and Forma are two very different things. Formastanzol is an AI that will lower estrogen, and Clomid is a SERM that blocks estrogen from binding to breast tissue and causing problems. Clomid also stimulates the LH, which is good for getting the HPTA going and getting your test levels back up.
 
ok cheers guys i have actually read that post and nelson has nothing good to say about the clomid lol but reccomends the use of hcg i appreciate what your saying noodles and will prob include the clomid anyhows just to be sure and also appreciate your honesty on the subject.
ok and you guys def reccomend i dont need any hcg at any point or before my pct ?
 
RickRock13 said:
Ideal PCT would be

Clomid 50/25/12.5/12.5
Post cycle
Unleashed
Formastanozol

Clomid and Forma are two very different things. Formastanzol is an AI that will lower estrogen, and Clomid is a SERM that blocks estrogen from binding to breast tissue and causing problems. Clomid also stimulates the LH, which is good for getting the HPTA going and getting your test levels back up.
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That right there is a top of the line pct. Clomid has it's purpose in pct, and I always run a low dose of it like my boy Rick just layed out for you. I would throw in DAA also just to be careful, but that isn't absolutely needed.

All of the pct supplements he layed out for you can be found at NTBM, MRSUPPS, or Chemicalneed.

Pct is more important than the cycle itself bro!

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Also, if you wanna run hcg you can certainly do so. I usually run hcgenerate and have hcg on hand in case I notice any shrinkage, which I never have yet, but with hormones you can never be too careful.

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ok guys thanks for your posts will be def taking my PCT very seriously, i have read alot just wanted to hear afew opinions as to give me some confindence and confirm what i had planned or thought was along the right lines. Bit of a perfectionist i guess but wana keep my gains as much as possible and get the most from my 1st cycle.
if anyone else has any opinions please feel free to have a say...
 
I am starting my HCGenerate at week 5. Two weeks in so far. Also doing the

Clomid
Post Cycle/ Unleashed
DAA
Forma

for PCT. Seems to be a solid plan and I want to make sure my body gets back to normal after all is said and done. I just wanted to pop in here and thank RickRock. I was looking for dosage info for the clomid and just read your recent post. thanks for the info
 
Also remember your diet is going to be fucking key to keeping your gains. It has to continue after cycle just as it was on and in the same amount. It won't be easy but then again if it was everyone would do it. Best of luck
 
I would continue the HCGenerate through PCT and through in some phytoserms 347. Get that natty test up and in a hurry!

Also for your on cycle you need n2gaurd and lipid stable if you are going to run anavar. Also If you are going to run var, run it at the end to make a nice transition into your pct. That way you are able to start pct right away after taking aas and not waiting for the long esters to clear. This is the best way to go into PCT IMO.

Week 1-12
Test e,or c 500 mg split monday thursday 250mg
Week 9-14
Anavar 60mg ed
Week 5-14
Hcgenerate 3 caps am 3 caps pm

ON cycle support
Lipid Stable
Forma
Adex
HCG (Have on hand if needed)
N2gaurd

Week 15 start PCT
PCT ( IF no shrinkage and HCGenerate is able to keep the boys plump)
Forma
PCT+Unleashed Combo
Clomid 25/25/25/25
HCgenerate
phytoserms 347
Daa chews
DHEA

Now if you are having shrinkage it is best to start running HCG at 500ius a week. If this is not helping restore your ITT levels then you have to run a blast before PCT.

Now if the 500 ius a week has not brought them back to normal:
Then 21 days before your pct starts you can do 500 ius a day up to 5 days before your PCT starts. So you start at 500ius a day at 21 days out, then 5 days before you stop giving you 16 days of 500 ius a day.

VERY IMPORTANT: You have to stop hcg administration 5 days prior to PCT. HCG is still supressive and if you start PCT and still have HCG levels you will not recover properly.

You probably should not need any HCG though.
 
ok cool il prob get two pots of the hcgenerate and just run em for week 4 thanks for your help mate, Cheers noodles i will ensure my diet is a1 mate and i will get some bloods run.

I am not going to stack with anything for now but thanks also 4 your post texas, im just gonna run a test only cycle i think if i do change anything, i might slighty increase test dosage but will prob stick with 500mg for my 1st time.

thanks alot guys
 
Ok when would you guys reccomend starting the pct e.g how many days after the last pin of sust ?

Iv been reccomended day after last pin, a couple of days to 2-3 weeks ?
I read approximatly 2- 3 days for short esters and 3ish weeks for longer ones, with sustanon what would you think as its mixed (albeit not evenly) ?
again thanks
 
With sust you'll be fine starting pct 2weeks after last pin as long as you keep taking hcgenerate.

The prop will be out of your system, but you'll still have peak levels of the long esters for at least a few weeks. Also, you'll be at about week 3 of pct when the esters do finally clear, so that gives your pct products time to kick in fully.

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il run the hcgenerate till week 12 and then start the post cycle and unleashed after my last pin along with the forma so my new layout is this :


weeks 1-12 500mg sustanon or E in either 1 or 2 a week shots
weeks 4-12 Hcgenerate
? weeks 4-12 forma ?
? Ai ?


weeks 12-16/17 postcycle/unleashed
weeks 12-18 forma stanzol
weeks 14-18 clomid 50/25/12.5/12.5

does this look ok ?


i was thinking of running an Ai while on cycle onlong with my hcgenerate and was thinking another bottle of forma might be best do you agree with the use of forma on cycle over other stuff e.g arimidex etc ?

What week should i introduce the forma into my cycle ? and should i run it staright through from starting in cycle, into pct or take a break anyway from it when im cycling or after ?
 
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