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Is there a God, a Force, a Chi, a Movement, an Energy that controls the Cosmos to some respect?

My friends, go outside, pick a leaf off of a tree, split the leaf into many small sections, put one of the small sections under a microscope. What do you see?

You see fibers of the plant, the flow of microcrystalline chlorophyll, endless numbers of atoms make up this small section of the leaf that you are looking at. For that leaf to live and flourish, the sun, rain, earth from the ground is needed. Before the leaf, there was just a sprout, before the sprout there was a seed from another plant. All of this to make a leaf that includes millions and millions of seperate entities. All of this perfect conglomeration to make this leaf(section of the leaf).

Now, check out the human body, its gazillion times more complex and intricate than a section of leaf from a tree. Just imagine what has to go on for you to function and live. The pancreas must produce insulin, the heart must pump blood(which has millions of seperate entities within and purpose for the human body), this must do that, that must do this, all this shit that even the most top notch scientist, doctors cannot explain in full detail is going on so we can breathe, so we can live. We are all from the earth, all connected by energy, we have no batteries, we just are.

So many , many meaning "infinite" different items have to come together for you to be you. And there is not just one of you, there are billions of you.

Take a look at pictures from space upon the earth, we live in a globe, a protected atmosphere, troposphere, mesophere thermosphere and stratosphere, the sun gives the earth life, the moon has its job, the stars have there role, everything in this universe has a role in our existence.

Still, some of you deny the existence of a God, a Force, a Chi, a Movement, an Energy, etc. You think you just are because of whatever reason you like to come up with, mainly because of the incorrect way Religion was delivered to you. Organized Religion of today is garbage on the exterior, its played out if you will. God, Chi, Energy, Force is not some dude in the sky lounging on a cloud with a white beard. Its much more beautiful and respectful than that, its impossible to comprehend, its the unknown.

The big bang theory and all of its little variations pretty much sum up how life came to be(in all aspects of life). But, nothing just blows up into infinite amounts of pieces and comes together so perfectly like it has without a Hand waving it all into its specific location and place in space.

When you die, you live, your body decomposes, goes back into the earth, where you came from, your energy takes a trip, no energy is ever deceased, no energy dies, it just goes elsewhere.

This has nothing to do with religion, philosophy, etc, it has to do with common sense.

There is "something" that created you, just wanted to let you know this. peace
 
Good post man.

But that last line, telling everyone something created them ... I just don't believe it. However, I have respect for you and therefore will not make this a huge argument.
 
gettinlarger said:
Good post man.

But that last line, telling everyone something created them ... I just don't believe it. However, I have respect for you and therefore will not make this a huge argument.

IMO, I think havoc would welcome your arguement....I know I would like to hear your reasons for believing this.
 
gettinlarger said:
Good post man.

But that last line, telling everyone something created them ... I just don't believe it. However, I have respect for you and therefore will not make this a huge argument.
I'll debate, but no arguing.
Depends on how you define "something" I guess, thats why I put "something", its so broad, which is good. peace
 
Many, if not most, agnositics (like myself) believe that there is either some sort of creator or controlling being...... but we just don't know the nature of that being(s).
 
It maybe humans need to understand that cause confusion. What Havoc described is Nature at it's best, an we are a creature of Nature. I guess we, as humans think we "outside" or "above" this, but the truth is we are still part of it, and will be forever.
 
As I was cooking up chicken pieces last night I thought....

What if..

What if there really is a sentient God in the Universe that created all things and set all things in motion. And what if this God is a great big Chicken, like a Rhode Island Red.

Because if that's the case..We're all going to chicken hell!
 
c-sharp minor said:
I just wanna know; if "something" created us, what created the 'something'?
It created itself, also , the more energy in the cosmos, the more this "something" becomes more evident, more of a factor or force. An example, the more human thoughts and energy into this subject creates this "something" as a more viable "something".
This "something" always has been and always will be, it falls under the "impossible to comprehend" and "unknown" that I spoke of in the intial post. Thats the best I personally can do to explain. peace
 
havoc said:

The big bang theory and all of its little variations pretty much sum up how life came to be(in all aspects of life). But, nothing just blows up into infinite amounts of pieces and comes together so perfectly like it has without a Hand waving it all into its specific location and place in space.

Well said.
 
It created itself, also , the more energy in the cosmos, the more this "something" becomes more evident, more of a factor or force. An example, the more human thoughts and energy into this subject creates this "something" as a more viable "something".

I understand what you're saying, but using this logic one could say that the universe created itself, right?

Great post though. I was thinking along the same lines last night. So Havoc, do you believe in a Heaven or Hell? Just curious.

Tater
 
dick tater said:


I understand what you're saying, but using this logic one could say that the universe created itself, right?

Great post though. I was thinking along the same lines last night. So Havoc, do you believe in a Heaven or Hell? Just curious.

Tater
First, I agree with your first comment about the universe, no one really knows, good thoughts though.

I maybe incorrect, but heaven to me is knowing God, hell is not knowing God. If one knows God, knows the beauty and priviledge of being here, then one knows it all, if one does not know God and lives vicariously or under the influence of earthly/material entities then hell is there dwelling place. peace tater
 
Many, if not most, agnositics (like myself) believe that there is either some sort of creator or controlling being...... but we just don't know the nature of that being(s).
I'm With Gin.. there's definitely SOMETHING.. but who am I (or we) to say what or who it is?
 
damnit.. on a side note... I can't freakin figure out how to insert a quote with the originial posters name in it. HELP!
 
Dooley said:
Many, if not most, agnositics (like myself) believe that there is either some sort of creator or controlling being...... but we just don't know the nature of that being(s).
I'm With Gin.. there's definitely SOMETHING.. but who am I (or we) to say what or who it is?
Good points by both you and Gin. peace
 
All the chickens we eat go off to the great big "Cluck" in the sky....
 
Just a note from the quantum side:

It's possible that the Big Bang simply was/is a quantum event. Meaning there needed to be no catalyst or God-Figure for it to take place.

In fact, scientists looking at the age of the universe are finding that it may very well have been a quantum event rather than a cosmic or physical event.
 
quantum events make me want to take naps. then again, anything really makes me want to take naps.

the part about dropping a deck of cards and what "really" happens on the quantum side and then the side that we see.

that sort of thing is easier with pictures and a coloring section.
 
Code said:
Just a note from the quantum side:

It's possible that the Big Bang simply was/is a quantum event. Meaning there needed to be no catalyst or God-Figure for it to take place.

In fact, scientists looking at the age of the universe are finding that it may very well have been a quantum event rather than a cosmic or physical event.
Hmmmm, independent existence?
Most definitely, maybe your thoughts are on the money.

Its still difficult to think that all we have today in terms of the entire universe was not the work of "something". peace
 
GinNJuice said:
Many, if not most, agnositics (like myself) believe that there is either some sort of creator or controlling being...... but we just don't know the nature of that being(s).

Well said GNJ
 
HappyScrappy said:
quantum events make me want to take naps. then again, anything really makes me want to take naps.

the part about dropping a deck of cards and what "really" happens on the quantum side and then the side that we see.

that sort of thing is easier with pictures and a coloring section.

And human sized crayons, lots and lots of them.
 
GREAT post Havoc. Its funny you posted this, I was thinking the same kind of thing. The more I learn about the functionings of the universe the more I am convinced that there is a force behind it all.....everything is incredibly intricate, all fitting together perfectly from the micro world of atoms that have ordered electron configurations to entire galaxies....

A question I've always pondered regarding evolution is, what is the force that drives it? Simple cells adapting to survive, survivial of the fittest, etc etc....but what drives those cells to want to survive at all? What drives a virus to wish to survive? DNA contains tens of thousands of text pages full of information in a single cell. And the final question, what is the spark of life? Even if you could build a perfect replica human with fresh organs, brain, and the rest, how would you make it alive? The point is I just do not believe a universe with such amazing order and perfection in design is the result of a random occurence..and if it is, why does the universe go to the trouble of existing at all? Where did it come from? What was the first energy that started everything else in motion? All matter in the universe that is moving must recieve the energy to move from somewhere else.....so what was this first moving force? God gentlemen. That's my opinion.
 
Although I do believe there is SOME kind of entity... I also believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution. It just makes sense!

By the way.. I STILL don't know how to insert a quote properly.. anyone.... anyone?
 
Frackal said:
GREAT post Havoc. Its funny you posted this, I was thinking the same kind of thing. The more I learn about the functionings of the universe the more I am convinced that there is a force behind it all.....everything is incredibly intricate, all fitting together perfectly from the micro world of atoms that have ordered electron configurations to entire galaxies....

A question I've always pondered regarding evolution is, what is the force that drives it? Simple cells adapting to survive, survivial of the fittest, etc etc....but what drives those cells to want to survive at all? What drives a virus to wish to survive? DNA contains tens of thousands of text pages full of information in a single cell. And the final question, what is the spark of life? Even if you could build a perfect replica human with fresh organs, brain, and the rest, how would you make it alive? The point is I just do not believe a universe with such amazing order and perfection in design is the result of a random occurence..and if it is, why does the universe go to the trouble of existing at all? Where did it come from? What was the first energy that started everything else in motion? All matter in the universe that is moving must recieve the energy to move from somewhere else.....so what was this first moving force? God gentlemen. That's my opinion.

People devote ALOT of time thinking that "everything fits together so well", but at the expense of the obvious:

If it didn't fit so well, you wouldn't be here.

Which is basically saying, because I exist so does God.

And I think this is known as "Poisoning the Well" in formal logic.
 
Evolution is a guarantee, evolution is beyond real, its in front of your face on a daily basis.

Frackal- what drives the quest for survival, maybe the environment(as it evolves), everything seems to have an urge to live, to make it, nothing wants to die or not exist, its constant adaptation maybe?
 
I don't know where monkeys come from.. I don't know how they reproduce.. I don't know how they eat. But I do know one thing: they were born to clean bathrooms
 
I think the large problem with all of these ideas that you are laying out is that the world we live in is seen through our eyes, and our experiences.
everyday you wake up and gravity is there, and you know that if you knock a chair over, it will fall, and you even know how it will fall because you are aware (whether you know it or not) of the rate at which you have seen objects fall in the past.
you live in a world where there is a reaction to force and that is how things happen.

you live in a world of Newtonian physics - which is doing you just fine.

but - the concepts that you are now thinking about no longer can be justly described in terms of Newtonian physics.
so, since the ideas and concepts need an answer, you reach for what you are used to seeing.
you are used to seeing that in order to get a system moving, you need to add force.
you are used to seeing how things normally react to such forces, and you have your own ideas of what forces are out there.

so when you "know" some force must exist, but it isn't like the ones here on earth - you have an unexplained force.

and the way it gets filled is currently a common theme "the god force"
some people see it as a large man in the sky.
others see it as an energy.
others don't believe it is there or needs to be at all.

and the common theme between them all is that they inherantly feel that they themselves are correct.

the problem with all of this is that you are trying to describe quantum mechanics in terms of Newtonian physics - which just isn't going to happen.

it is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

you may feel that you are one smart motherfucker - but unless you start talking about quantum mechanics and putting this all in those terms - I'm just gonna have to say that I don't agree with most all of what is said here.
(Code slightly touched on this)
 
havoc said:
Evolution is a guarantee, evolution is beyond real, its in front of your face on a daily basis.

Frackal- what drives the quest for survival, maybe the environment(as it evolves), everything seems to have an urge to live, to make it, nothing wants to die or not exist, its constant adaptation maybe?

If nothing had the urge to live, there wouldn't be any life.
 
HappyScrappy said:
I think the large problem with all of these ideas that you are laying out is that the world we live in is seen through our eyes, and our experiences.
everyday you wake up and gravity is there, and you know that if you knock a chair over, it will fall, and you even know how it will fall because you are aware (whether you know it or not) of the rate at which you have seen objects fall in the past.
you live in a world where there is a reaction to force and that is how things happen.

you live in a world of Newtonian physics - which is doing you just fine.

but - the concepts that you are now thinking about no longer can be justly described in terms of Newtonian physics.
so, since the ideas and concepts need an answer, you reach for what you are used to seeing.
you are used to seeing that in order to get a system moving, you need to add force.
you are used to seeing how things normally react to such forces, and you have your own ideas of what forces are out there.

so when you "know" some force must exist, but it isn't like the ones here on earth - you have an unexplained force.

and the way it gets filled is currently a common theme "the god force"
some people see it as a large man in the sky.
others see it as an energy.
others don't believe it is there or needs to be at all.

and the common theme between them all is that they inherantly feel that they themselves are correct.

the problem with all of this is that you are trying to describe quantum mechanics in terms of Newtonian physics - which just isn't going to happen.

it is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

you may feel that you are one smart motherfucker - but unless you start talking about quantum mechanics and putting this all in those terms - I'm just gonna have to say that I don't agree with most all of what is said here.
(Code slightly touched on this)

*Note to self: Buy that "Quantum Mechanics for Dummies" book. :D
 
GinNJuice said:


*Note to self: Buy that "Quantum Mechanics for Dummies" book. :D

There is one.

But quantum events aside, philosophers always talk like this and it burns me up.

They think that due to the complex nature of basic lifeforms and the fact that those lifeforms "work" means there is some greater force.

Now I'm not saying there isn't a greater force. What I'm saying is that these people never look at things in reverse.

They love to use science to prove their points, but don't look at it from both sides.

The logical conclusion is that if things DIDN'T work, you wouldn't be HERE to observe that they work.
 
HappyScrappy said:




it is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.



But this type of thinking take the round peg and puts it in the round hole and then they say, "See there is a greater power!"
 
Frackal said:

A question I've always pondered regarding evolution is, what is the force that drives it? Simple cells adapting to survive, survivial of the fittest, etc etc....but what drives those cells to want to survive at all? What drives a virus to wish to survive? DNA contains tens of thousands of text pages full of information in a single cell. And the final question, what is the spark of life? Even if you could build a perfect replica human with fresh organs, brain, and the rest, how would you make it alive? The point is I just do not believe a universe with such amazing order and perfection in design is the result of a random occurence..and if it is, why does the universe go to the trouble of existing at all? Where did it come from? What was the first energy that started everything else in motion? All matter in the universe that is moving must recieve the energy to move from somewhere else.....so what was this first moving force? God gentlemen. That's my opinion.

That was really profound. I'm saving this one.
 
HappyScrappy said:
I think the large problem with all of these ideas that you are laying out is that the world we live in is seen through our eyes, and our experiences.
everyday you wake up and gravity is there, and you know that if you knock a chair over, it will fall, and you even know how it will fall because you are aware (whether you know it or not) of the rate at which you have seen objects fall in the past.
you live in a world where there is a reaction to force and that is how things happen.

you live in a world of Newtonian physics - which is doing you just fine.

but - the concepts that you are now thinking about no longer can be justly described in terms of Newtonian physics.
so, since the ideas and concepts need an answer, you reach for what you are used to seeing.
you are used to seeing that in order to get a system moving, you need to add force.
you are used to seeing how things normally react to such forces, and you have your own ideas of what forces are out there.

so when you "know" some force must exist, but it isn't like the ones here on earth - you have an unexplained force.

and the way it gets filled is currently a common theme "the god force"
some people see it as a large man in the sky.
others see it as an energy.
others don't believe it is there or needs to be at all.

and the common theme between them all is that they inherantly feel that they themselves are correct.

the problem with all of this is that you are trying to describe quantum mechanics in terms of Newtonian physics - which just isn't going to happen.

it is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

you may feel that you are one smart motherfucker - but unless you start talking about quantum mechanics and putting this all in those terms - I'm just gonna have to say that I don't agree with most all of what is said here.
(Code slightly touched on this)
I feel that I am neither dumb nor smart, I'm really nothing actually.
You mention "I think the large problem with all of these ideas that you are laying out is that the world we live in is seen through our eyes, and our experiences", our experiences, our eyes is what we have, these experiences, these eyes is what everyone has, quantum physics falls right under the same stipulations and so called "truths" you just cited, leaving quantum physics in the same boat as anything else, leaving it with the same credibility, its all connected, like everything is. peace
 
I close my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone
All my dreams, pass before my eyes, a curiosity

Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky
It slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy.
 

Is there a God, a Force, a Chi, a Movement, an Energy that controls the Cosmos to some respect?

My friends, go outside, pick a leaf off of a tree, split the leaf into many small sections, put one of the small sections under a microscope. What do you see?

You see fibers of the plant, the flow of microcrystalline chlorophyll, endless numbers of atoms make up this small section of the leaf that you are looking at. For that leaf to live and flourish, the sun, rain, earth from the ground is needed. Before the leaf, there was just a sprout, before the sprout there was a seed from another plant. All of this to make a leaf that includes millions and millions of seperate entities. All of this perfect conglomeration to make this leaf(section of the leaf).

Now, check out the human body, its gazillion times more complex and intricate than a section of leaf from a tree. Just imagine what has to go on for you to function and live. The pancreas must produce insulin, the heart must pump blood(which has millions of seperate entities within and purpose for the human body), this must do that, that must do this, all this shit that even the most top notch scientist, doctors cannot explain in full detail is going on so we can breathe, so we can live. We are all from the earth, all connected by energy, we have no batteries, we just are.

So many , many meaning "infinite" different items have to come together for you to be you. And there is not just one of you, there are billions of you.

Take a look at pictures from space upon the earth, we live in a globe, a protected atmosphere, troposphere, mesophere thermosphere and stratosphere, the sun gives the earth life, the moon has its job, the stars have there role, everything in this universe has a role in our existence.

Still, some of you deny the existence of a God, a Force, a Chi, a Movement, an Energy, etc. You think you just are because of whatever reason you like to come up with, mainly because of the incorrect way Religion was delivered to you. Organized Religion of today is garbage on the exterior, its played out if you will. God, Chi, Energy, Force is not some dude in the sky lounging on a cloud with a white beard. Its much more beautiful and respectful than that, its impossible to comprehend, its the unknown.

The big bang theory and all of its little variations pretty much sum up how life came to be(in all aspects of life). But, nothing just blows up into infinite amounts of pieces and comes together so perfectly like it has without a Hand waving it all into its specific location and place in space.

When you die, you live, your body decomposes, goes back into the earth, where you came from, your energy takes a trip, no energy is ever deceased, no energy dies, it just goes elsewhere.

This has nothing to do with religion, philosophy, etc, it has to do with common sense.

There is "something" that created you, just wanted to let you know this. peace


These are the pillars of cosmological arguments...
good post.

THE PROBABILITY OF THE OCCURRENCE OF A UNIVERSE IN WHICH LIFE CAN FORM
The calculations of British mathematician Roger Penrose show that the probability of universe conducive to life occurring by chance is in 10 10 123. The phrase "extremely unlikely" is inadequate to describe this possibility.
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1. Roger Penrose, The Emperor's New Mind, 1989; Michael Denton, Nature's Destiny, The New York: The Free Press, 1998, p. 9

crap. oh well, those are supposed to be exponents :)
 
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rotovibe said:

Is there a God, a Force, a Chi, a Movement, an Energy that controls the Cosmos to some respect?

My friends, go outside, pick a leaf off of a tree, split the leaf into many small sections, put one of the small sections under a microscope. What do you see?

You see fibers of the plant, the flow of microcrystalline chlorophyll, endless numbers of atoms make up this small section of the leaf that you are looking at. For that leaf to live and flourish, the sun, rain, earth from the ground is needed. Before the leaf, there was just a sprout, before the sprout there was a seed from another plant. All of this to make a leaf that includes millions and millions of seperate entities. All of this perfect conglomeration to make this leaf(section of the leaf).

Now, check out the human body, its gazillion times more complex and intricate than a section of leaf from a tree. Just imagine what has to go on for you to function and live. The pancreas must produce insulin, the heart must pump blood(which has millions of seperate entities within and purpose for the human body), this must do that, that must do this, all this shit that even the most top notch scientist, doctors cannot explain in full detail is going on so we can breathe, so we can live. We are all from the earth, all connected by energy, we have no batteries, we just are.

So many , many meaning "infinite" different items have to come together for you to be you. And there is not just one of you, there are billions of you.

Take a look at pictures from space upon the earth, we live in a globe, a protected atmosphere, troposphere, mesophere thermosphere and stratosphere, the sun gives the earth life, the moon has its job, the stars have there role, everything in this universe has a role in our existence.

Still, some of you deny the existence of a God, a Force, a Chi, a Movement, an Energy, etc. You think you just are because of whatever reason you like to come up with, mainly because of the incorrect way Religion was delivered to you. Organized Religion of today is garbage on the exterior, its played out if you will. God, Chi, Energy, Force is not some dude in the sky lounging on a cloud with a white beard. Its much more beautiful and respectful than that, its impossible to comprehend, its the unknown.

The big bang theory and all of its little variations pretty much sum up how life came to be(in all aspects of life). But, nothing just blows up into infinite amounts of pieces and comes together so perfectly like it has without a Hand waving it all into its specific location and place in space.

When you die, you live, your body decomposes, goes back into the earth, where you came from, your energy takes a trip, no energy is ever deceased, no energy dies, it just goes elsewhere.

This has nothing to do with religion, philosophy, etc, it has to do with common sense.

There is "something" that created you, just wanted to let you know this. peace


These are the pillars of cosmological arguments...
good post.

THE PROBABILITY OF THE OCCURRENCE OF A UNIVERSE IN WHICH LIFE CAN FORM
The calculations of British mathematician Roger Penrose show that the probability of universe conducive to life occurring by chance is in 10 10 123. The phrase "extremely unlikely" is inadequate to describe this possibility.
10000000000000000000000000000000
00000000000000000000000000000000
00000000000000000000000000000000
10 00000000000000000000000000000000

1. Roger Penrose, The Emperor's New Mind, 1989; Michael Denton, Nature's Destiny, The New York: The Free Press, 1998, p. 9

crap. oh well, those are supposed to be exponents :)

Please note this statistic was made in a pre-String theory, pre-chaos theory era.
 
my 2cents worth:

There is a God, a creator of all things. I am not sure "game" is the correct term to use, but life for us to God is kinda like a "game".
-Just as it was forbidden to eat the apple from the tree back when Adam/Eve existed. I mean it's just an apple, but God MADE it forbidden for his own reason.

The same holds true even today. God isn't gonna magically appear and say "here I am believe in me now". You have to accept him thru faith and believe in him even when there's no physical proof. Some of you think I'm full of it, but to those who do believe it's not unimaginable at all - it is very real.
 
rotovibe said:
thanks for the side note. Seriously.
String theory is definitely worth mentioning.

True, because major work has been done to prove that the Big Bang (or whatever the started it all) was a quantum event.

It's also important to note that the scientist in question was calculating the posssiblity of life *as we know it* occuring randomnly, not life in general.
 
Frackal said:
Explain it to us Happy scrappy.

LOL

have you ever read anything on quantum mechanics? it hurts my head just to think about it. I am in no way a good enough teacher to try to say that there is some perfect explanation and then get you to see it.
hell - by what I said it would be a contradiction in terms anyway.

we each have own feelings as to how it started - and we all feel certain that we are special in some way - combined leads to the idea that our thoughts are "right"

what I'm saying is likely anything that we guess at (without scientific menthod and the like) is pretty much gonna be wrong because we don't view things in a way that makes it condusive to understanding it.

Havoc says that we live in a world of quantum mechanics and that we observe our world, therefore we should be able to understand it - but that isn't a correct statement.

fuck - I'll shut up - I hate this shit. it is annoying to me when I get something and can't explain it to others - I would make the worst teacher. (not saying I get how the universe was created - I'm saying I have a pretty firm grasp on quantum mechanics from what I have read)
 
HappyScrappy said:


LOL

have you ever read anything on quantum mechanics? it hurts my head just to think about it. I am in no way a good enough teacher to try to say that there is some perfect explanation and then get you to see it.
hell - by what I said it would be a contradiction in terms anyway.

we each have own feelings as to how it started - and we all feel certain that we are special in some way - combined leads to the idea that our thoughts are "right"

what I'm saying is likely anything that we guess at (without scientific menthod and the like) is pretty much gonna be wrong because we don't view things in a way that makes it condusive to understanding it.

Havoc says that we live in a world of quantum mechanics and that we observe our world, therefore we should be able to understand it - but that isn't a correct statement.

fuck - I'll shut up - I hate this shit. it is annoying to me when I get something and can't explain it to others - I would make the worst teacher. (not saying I get how the universe was created - I'm saying I have a pretty firm grasp on quantum mechanics from what I have read)
Thats not what I'm saying. Saying that "quantum meCRAPics is subject to the same scrutiny as anything else. peace
 
HappyScrappy said:


LOL

have you ever read anything on quantum mechanics? it hurts my head just to think about it. I am in no way a good enough teacher to try to say that there is some perfect explanation and then get you to see it.
hell - by what I said it would be a contradiction in terms anyway.

we each have own feelings as to how it started - and we all feel certain that we are special in some way - combined leads to the idea that our thoughts are "right"

what I'm saying is likely anything that we guess at (without scientific menthod and the like) is pretty much gonna be wrong because we don't view things in a way that makes it condusive to understanding it.

Havoc says that we live in a world of quantum mechanics and that we observe our world, therefore we should be able to understand it - but that isn't a correct statement.

fuck - I'll shut up - I hate this shit. it is annoying to me when I get something and can't explain it to others - I would make the worst teacher. (not saying I get how the universe was created - I'm saying I have a pretty firm grasp on quantum mechanics from what I have read)

At the very core of quantum science is actually the Second Law of thermodynamics, given enough time Entropy breaks down any given formal system.

Now we define Pre-Universe as a formal system, a system where nothing exists (or even if something does exist but it is not ordered).

Now we add Entropy. And like it should it breaks down the order (or in this case the non-order) of things. Thus creating *something*.

Now whether this something is the Big Bang, the elements that catalyst the Big Bang or a God-Figure is purely conjecture.

But we do know that if there was truly a state to the Pre-Universe, then Entropy will change that state over time.

Ed. Note: I'm using the 2nd law of thermodynamics as a bit of an analogy to say that quantum science suggest that *anything* can happen. And Entropy is simply a Newtonian placeholder for quantumness (if that's a word)
 
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I also forgot to mention the Strong law of large numbers in relation to why we can observe Newtonion physics in a universe governed by quantum physics.
so that even though it is all governed by probabolistic means, on the scale at which we experience it, things behave in a deterministic way.
 
HappyScrappy said:
I also forgot to mention the Strong law of large numbers in relation to why we can observe Newtonion physics in a universe governed by quantum physics.
so that even though it is all governed by probabolistic means, on the scale at which we experience it, things behave in a deterministic way.

Werd.
 
HappyScrappy said:


that is blasphemy. everyone knows that it was Jesus that was the meth and twinkie fiend.

Jesus was God's dealer man.
The bible got it wrong.
 
I've mentioned it before, and I will say it again - I don't personally believe in chi - but I really like chai.
my personal theory on life is that if you add enough honey to anything, it will taste good.
I call it "the phone book theory" - meaning that if you added enough honey to a phone book, it would taste good.
This theory holds true as well with butter, whipped cream, some ice creams, and deep frying.
 
I have a theory on workers, it's called the Floater theory.

Thos who don't produce and only drain company resources float to the top of the toilet and are always the last to be flushed.
 
knight69 said:
I DONT UNDERSTAND!!!!!!! and all these years i thought i came from my moms vagina??

Actually it was 3 degree south of her vagina. :)
 
actually it was 3 1/2 degrees south and 6in wide. REMEMBER I,m a big asshole!!!!!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
 
I remain an agnostic. Even though I have experienced things that I do not believe were coincidences. I have asked,"If there is a creator will you reveal yourself to me." I believe that he did. I cannot explain it. I had too many things happen that were intertwined and virtually mathematically impossible to have been mere coincidences. I have interviewed many people who have had similar experiences. Just some unbelievable stuff. Well, we will find out soon, life is short here.
 
sereneman said:
I remain an agnostic. Even though I have experienced things that I do not believe were coincidences. I have asked,"If there is a creator will you reveal yourself to me." I believe that he did. I cannot explain it. I had too many things happen that were intertwined and virtually mathematically impossible to have been mere coincidences. I have interviewed many people who have had similar experiences. Just some unbelievable stuff. Well, we will find out soon, life is short here.

Problem is, people try to attach something unprovable (Gods) to something provable. And thus making it a *moral* issue or that science is trying to disprove God.

Who is to say that God isn't the essence of what we define as Quantum Science??
 
Code said:


Who is to say that God isn't the essence of what we define as Quantum Science??
There you go, that could be classified as the "something" I speak of. Like I said, there is "something" that created you, that cannot be denied, it cannot be argued against, you gentlemen have tried, but have come up quite short. All of these attempts were already answered in my first post, everything was covered. Rastafari
peace
 
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