This is gona sound weird

[JC Grifter]

OK here is my situation. I have done 2 real cycles. the first was Deca only, no anti e, no clomid. I gained very well, as it was my first cycle, and post cycle i lost barely anything with no clomid, or any type of post cycle treatment. Second cycle was dbol/sust/deca. Here I used anti e, and clomid at the end, basically fowllowing everything to a T. All the variables in both cycles were the same, ie; Training,diet, ect. However this time I lost a lot of weight. And got bad sides from the clomid. I broke out very bad and it made my vision very blury. My question is, do some people just not need to post cycle properly as we are told in order to mainatin gains? Because now I am thinking for when I am ready for my next cycle, Not to even bother with clomid. What do you think??

 

[bigdelt69]

It was not the clomid that made you break out, it was the change in hormones. Please dont think that the clomid made you loose any weight, because it wont. You lost weight because you were shut down, and/or your diet was not up to par. Some people do get shut down more than others, but in general you will always need some type of post cycle recovery. I bet you were bloated and lost a lot of water post cycle. This is to be expected when you get bloated.

 

[JC Grifter]

I was not bloated i used l-dex. I didnt crash with the previous cycle of deca only with no anti e or clomid. and liek i stated my diet was the same as teh last cycle where i kept all my gains. And i did do a 3rd cycle but I dont count it.. i lost the gains after a car accident and couldnt work out and lost my appetite.. also was a test/dbol.. no breakouts there. The cycle with no post cycle recovery i kept maybe 90% of mt gains... cycle with post cycle recovery lost a shit load with a good diet .

 

[bigdelt69]

This is only a guess but, perhaps you just were not as shut down the first time. And the second time, even with proper clomid therapy, it still took you a while to recover. It is impossible that the clomid made you loose your gains. Describe the dosage and length of your second cycle so that I can get a better view.

your second cycle seemed a little heavy for a beginner. also next time get some bloodwork done before your cycle so that you can know what your T levels should be after you post cycle recovery next time.

 

[Judo Tom]

who made your first deca

next cyclle try some hcg and nolva post cycle..

 

[Warmachine_01]

yeah use hcg throughout your cycle and nolva afterward. youll still probobly break out but you wont have the vision sides.

it sounds like deca works great for you, why switch to something else?