This is a fucked up disturbing video. If you still shop at J.Crew after this...

[MattTheSkywalker]

Did you read "The Jungle"?? And what did you think, re: the working conditions/treatment of workers (not the slaughtering animal part)??

Yep read it.

The treatment was brutal by modern standards, no doubt. But those harsh environments were a hell of a lot easier than farming life, which is a 365 day, all-day, all weather job. Child labor on the farm started as soon as kids could walk.

The presence of slaughterhouses made meat available to a larger number of people at a lower cost than ever before, allowing people to focus their time and creativity on something other than providing food.

The slaughterhouse, factory, and other Industrial creations were harsh. But they were a step forward, an improvement in the standard of living for just about everyone.

When we view them through modern standards, we are being unfair to history.

 

[jenscats5]

Yep read it.

The treatment was brutal by modern standards, no doubt. But those harsh environments were a hell of a lot easier than farming life, which is a 365 day, all-day, all weather job. Child labor on the farm started as soon as kids could walk.

The presence of slaughterhouses made meat available to a larger number of people at a lower cost than ever before, allowing people to focus their time and creativity on something other than providing food.

The slaughterhouse, factory, and other Industrial creations were harsh. But they were a step forward, an improvement in the standard of living for just about everyone.

When we view them through modern standards, we are being unfair to history.

Right - cuz at the time the FDA didn't exist & the book helped create it - as an example. I didn't care for all the Socialism aspect of it - but to a certain extent - in comparing that story to a true life account of life on the Prairie - the two were pretty similar; however the settler had more of a personal "satisfaction" aspect with his work as it was on his own property, etc - but the conditions & dangers (from a historical standpoint) seem to be similar. However I would imagine it would depend on the individual as to whether they'd prefer the city or the country life.

But - yes - that's why farmers had or tried to have so many children - to work the farm as soon as they were able - by 5 years old, basically.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Right - cuz at the time the FDA didn't exist & the book helped create it - as an example. I didn't care for all the Socialism aspect of it - but to a certain extent - in comparing that story to a true life account of life on the Prairie - the two were pretty similar; however the settler had more of a personal "satisfaction" aspect with his work as it was on his own property, etc - but the conditions & dangers (from a historical standpoint) seem to be similar. However I would imagine it would depend on the individual as to whether they'd prefer the city or the country life.

But - yes - that's why farmers had or tried to have so many children - to work the farm as soon as they were able - by 5 years old, basically.

Sense of satisfaction was probably felt with equal vigor by those who were able to buy their food, not grow it. Leisure time began with the factory and the slaughterhouse.

It's unfair and stupid when people (not you) imagine that before the Industrial Revolution, people lived idyillic farm lives. Small plot farming is essentially slavery, with no guarantee youll grow enough or raise enoug animals. That's how people lived pre factory.

I agree that it depends on the individual whether they find the farm of the factory more satisfying. But the fact is, people swarmed to the cities during the Industrial revolution, so most people found the factories more satisfying.

 

[jenscats5]

Sense of satisfaction was probably felt with equal vigor by those who were able to buy their food, not grow it. Leisure time began with the factory and the slaughterhouse.

It's unfair and stupid when people (not you) imagine that before the Industrial Revolution, people lived idyillic farm lives. Small plot farming is essentially slavery, with no guarantee youll grow enough or raise enoug animals. That's how people lived pre factory.

I agree that it depends on the individual whether they find the farm of the factory more satisfying. But the fact is, people swarmed to the cities during the Industrial revolution, so most people found the factories more satisfying.

Yep - I agree. I'm fascinated with Colonial life & have researched it a lot. It's interesting how brutal & savage farm life was - it wasn't all Little House on the Prairie.

But also, back then, before "city life" and factories existed - there weren't any other options.........

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Yep - I agree. I'm fascinated with Colonial life & have researched it a lot. It's interesting how brutal & savage farm life was - it wasn't all Little House on the Prairie.

But also, back then, before "city life" and factories existed - there weren't any other options.........

Right, It was farm or die.

Cities and factories, harsh as they were, created the opportunities for accumulation of wealth that gave people leisure time, choices, etc.

 

[AMGETR]

Stupid fucking chinese

 

[jenscats5]

Right, It was farm or die.

Cities and factories, harsh as they were, created the opportunities for accumulation of wealth that gave people leisure time, choices, etc.

And isn't Donner Pass now part of a ski resort??

And for the perfect Christmas gift:

 

[HiDnGoD]

I freaking cried my eyes out when I had to put my first elephant seal down.

I have a cat. He's my buddy. we've through a lot together, but he's getting old. He's got very bad arthritis, & I'm suspecting he has cancer. I've put 2 other cats down in the past 2 years (well, the vet did).
But this guy is different. I want to do it myself because it just seems right. & I know this will sound heartless, but the vet charges $250.00 to do it & I can't get the body back to bury.
I would do it myself if I could do it as painlessly as the vet. I can't do that, so I'll have to take him to the vet. It would mean a lot to us to have him buried at the foot of the garden.

 

[EnderJE]

I have a cat. He's my buddy. we've through a lot together, but he's getting old. He's got very bad arthritis, & I'm suspecting he has cancer. I've put 2 other cats down in the past 2 years (well, the vet did).
But this guy is different. I want to do it myself because it just seems right. & I know this will sound heartless, but the vet charges $250.00 to do it & I can't get the body back to bury.
I would do it myself if I could do it as painlessly as the vet. I can't do that, so I'll have to take him to the vet. It would mean a lot to us to have him buried at the foot of the garden.

Think of it this way. Five more cats and you can have enough material to have them around all the time!

 

[gjohnson5]

LOL, That ain't shit... I used to offshore fish... You should see what we do to seafood. And we do it all day for 7 days and have bucket loads of guts and scales. It's really fun when a shark bites out lines and has to be dehooked, lol. Friends in Pensacola have some kewl mako jaws on thier wall.

Watched the whole thing and I'm not surprised