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This guy makes a good point.

yep he is right, they use them so the animals pack on more meat before they get slaughtered
 
I'd say it's all about the money. They grow faster so they slaughter them faster. Hence increased production and increased profits.
 
There is no doubt that children are reaching puberty at an earlier age now than they ever have before. You can make a good argument that it's from tren and estrogen in beef.

Others say that it's more access to food and the childhood obesity epidimic that's responsible for the earlier puberty and that by the time we eat hormone treated beef the compounds have broken down to the point where they have no effect.

My family eats organic, grass-fed beef (and milk) because we can afford it and it's better safe than sorry.
 
nydj66 said:
There is no doubt that children are reaching puberty at an earlier age now than they ever have before. You can make a good argument that it's from trenbolone and estrogen in beef.

Others say that it's more access to food and the childhood obesity epidimic that's responsible for the earlier puberty and that by the time we eat hormone treated beef the compounds have broken down to the point where they have no effect.

My family eats organic, grass-fed beef (and milk) because we can afford it and it's better safe than sorry.

I agree with the theory of bigger kids from the hormones fed to cattle, chicken and pigs. If this guy is not full of shit, and I don't think he is based on other information of have seen then we will really see an increase in the size of the kids born from people of my generation. I am 42.

After eating hormone treated food for most of my life my offspring will bare results of that more than I will whether good or bad. God willing it will be good.
 
First of all, it's girls who are reaching puberty sooner and that's from all the phytoestrogens -- soy mostly. Kids in general are bigger because the baby boomers were the first generation to take viamins and they were larger and consequently their kids are larger.

They don't give cattle AAS like the ones baseball players take! that guy is talking out of his ass. It wouldn't make any sense to make them more muscular. They just overfeed them to make them fatter and thus, more tender.
 
nelson- im not quite sure what you are calling bullshit?


cattle are most definetly given any of the following combos to increase their weight or "value"

synovex-h;
weighing 400 lbs or more. Each dose contains 200mg testosterone propionate and 20mg estradiol benzoate. SYNOVEX H Implants Not for use with replacement heifers

Finaplix increases rate of weight gain and improves feed efficiency in a slow-release delivery system. Finaplix is to be used in feedlot heifers only during approximately the last 63 days prior to slaughter.


SYNOVEX® C for Suckling Beef Calves of 49 days of age to 400 lbs body weight. Each dose contains 100mg progesterone and 10mg estradiol benzoate. Synovex C implant is followed at approximately 70 days by Synovex S.


i would agrue that the goverment is in a sense making a fool of themselves by claiming steroids are bad yet giving it to what w eat
 
Come on Nelson......

I know a guy (his name and the farm he grew up on won't be mentioned) and they most definitely do pump cows full of shit to make them grow bigger.

This coming from a guy that grew up on a farm and slaughtered his first cow at 9 if I remember right.

Come on.....
 
I'm not saying it isn't done. (I'm not sure of the legality issue here). I was calling bullshit more on that guy who was making comparisions to anabolic use in athletes. As mentioned, fina (Ralgo) is sometimes used before slaugter to swell the cattle up but that's mostly from the estrogen -- which again makes more sense because fat and water will add weight and tenderness whereas AAS will make them leaner, muscular and tough.

As for the amount of hormone that is ingested when eating, I can't say but my guess is it's very very slight and as anyone on this board knows, oral ingestion of a depot is virtually inert. I guess my issue is more with the dangers, which I believe are way exagerated.
 
Nelson Montana said:
First of all, it's girls who are reaching puberty sooner and that's from all the phytoestrogens -- soy mostly. Kids in general are bigger because the baby boomers were the first generation to take viamins and they were larger and consequently their kids are larger.

They don't give cattle anabolic androgenic steroids like the ones baseball players take! that guy is talking out of his ass. It wouldn't make any sense to make them more muscular. They just overfeed them to make them fatter and thus, more tender.
Unless you know for a fact that no baseball players take tren then what the hell sense does that make?
Let me guess, that's not exactly what you meant or you read the post wrong or whatever other lame ass excuse you usually come up w/.
 
Nelson Montana said:
I'm not saying it isn't done. (I'm not sure of the legality issue here). I was calling bullshit more on that guy who was making comparisions to anabolic use in athletes. As mentioned, Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - (Ralgo) is sometimes used before slaugter to swell the cattle up but that's mostly from the estrogen -- which again makes more sense because fat and water will add weight and tenderness whereas anabolic androgenic steroids will make them leaner, muscular and tough.

As for the amount of hormone that is ingested when eating, I can't say but my guess is it's very very slight and as anyone on this board knows, oral ingestion of a depot is virtually inert. I guess my issue is more with the dangers, which I believe are way exagerated.
As for the amount of hormone that is ingested when eating, I can't say but my guess is it's very very slight and as anyone on this board knows, oral ingestion of a depot is virtually inert. I guess my issue is more with the dangers, which I believe are way exagerated.[/

agree 100% with u there
 
I partly disagree with you Nelson. I have a son who is 13. He has many friends who's parents don't give a rat's ass about vitamins and nutrition. You can see it and they will tell you as much. The most excercise they get is from drinking that weekend beer by the pool. Yet their kids are huge for there age. I'm 6' 2" 240lbs and I'm telling you the majority of them are almost as big as me. Well of course not 240lbs but you can tell that they're going to be MUCH bigger than me when they finally stop growing. So my point is that these people probably never even took vitamins yet their kids are still much larger. And that's where I think hormones in the food supply shows up.

Just a theory that happen to agree with.
 
Nelson Montana said:
(Ralgo) is sometimes used before slaugter to swell the cattle up but that's mostly from the estrogen -- which again makes more sense because fat and water will add weight and tenderness whereas anabolic androgenic steroids will make them leaner, muscular and tough.

Also he says that the first thing he would do to improve the quality(I'm assuming he's talking about tenderness) of the meat is remove the growth hormones. Which supports your assertion that the aas would make the meat tougher.
 
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