Things I learned from my first cycle...

[frorider6]

sounds like you are another victim of this board. Another poor bastard ODing because of all the bullshit advice going around here telling people to use more stuff than would be used on a stable of race horses.

BTW, it aint weird to get sick off the rediculosu amount of steorids you probably used you dumb shit. Dbol is meant to be used for weight gain at 5mg/day. How much did you use? How much testosterone and estrogen did you gicve yourself with your injections of sust?

bottom line, here is what you shoul;d of learnmed, you used much too much and got nothing but awful ugly side effects and you didnt have enough common sense to stop the whole thing because some 18 year old kids on this board told you it was all cool.

My cycle was 30 mg D-Bol ED and 500 mg Sust per week.

And BOT, I can't tell if you're trying to help or just be a dick. However, we're not all experts on this stuff. I did tons of research and asked lots of opinions. I considered myself well enough informed to give it a shot. I didn't get the common sides like achne and gyno because of the very information I learned about on this board (I would have never known about Liquidex).

I never heard any other opinion on the amount I was doing. your opinoin might have been taken into consideration if it was offered.

 

[frorider6]

YOu did much to much.
If you didn;t use antiestrogens with all that then please tell me what you learned from making all those dam posts during the last 4 months?

All those posts were mostly bullshit conversation over on the chat section. I have a lot of time to waste at my job and this place can be addicting. Everyone needs to remember that post count is NO indication of knowledge.

And I did use anti-e's. Liquidex at .5 mg ED to start and scaled back to .25 ED. Nolvadex on hand just in case. Clomid therapy to start 3 weeks after last shot.

I'll keep your advice about the D-Bols in mind as I have a lot left over. Maybe I'll incorporate 5-10 mg ED into my next cycle.

 

[Killa Beas]

bot- post your 1st cycle

frorider6- don't let one guy influence you that much bro.

-KB

 

[frorider6]

bot- post your 1st cycle

frorider6- don't let one guy influence you that much bro.

-KB

Well, I was trying to figure out what to do about the D-Bols anyway and hadn't really considered a 5-10 mg dose. Seems like it's worth a shot for my next cycle. 30 mg REALLY fucked me up and helped ruin my first cycle. I actually started LOSING weight while on D-Bols because of how sick they made me. Maybe a lower dose would work.

And I would TOTALLY support anyone on this board supporting lower doses for newbies. When did it become a bad thing to play it a bit safe. BOT's opinions are valid and would be of value if he's tone down the arrogance and holier-than-thou attitude.

My $.02

 

[Killa Beas]

BOT "you used at least 2 times to much stuff for what you want. "

curious-did he call you up personally and give you his short/long term goals and body type?

post your 1st cycle, any cycle...i wanna see where you are coming from...

-KB

 

[kevin7]

One rule: Get someone you trust to inject you. It's a lot easier.

you're probably right, but my self injections are somthing I look forward to each time.. can't wait for monday's and thursday's

kevin7

 

[kevin7]

Re: killa beas

what size needle did you use in your delts. did it hurt at all. im going to do my first shoulder injection today and it will be 1cc of sustretard in each shoulder.

tell me what to expect!!!!!!!

1" 25g in the delts for me with little soreness

kevin7

 

[frorider6]

BOT you make some very good points. And I say your opinion are valuable and might help some people if you dropped a bit of the attitude.

My next cycle will probably be D-Bol 10 mg ED (for the reasons stated above) combined with a very moderate dose of deca and test. Or maybe I won't do the D-Bol. I have a lot of research and time to plan my next cycle.

As for my goals, I don't want to get bodybuilder huge. Just large and ripped. Probably for many of the reasons you state.

 

[gwl9dta4]

OOOOO, Dude you really overdosed on your first cycle. You said you did tons of research and this is what you came up with? Your first cycle was honestly stronger then my heaviest cycle and that was a couple years into juicing. A good first cycle would have been, for ex: 250mg sust per week for 8 weeks, or 10mg d-ball piramided to 15mg then back down for 6 weeks. You get the idea.

Your body was trying to tell you that you were overdosing. And overdosing badly. So i hope that what you learned from your first cycle is that you, well, used too much gear.

A good piece of advice that i can give you though is what i did in the beginning. And that is to not stack any drugs for your first couple of cycles. Keep them straight, simple and short. The reason you ask? After all everyone is always recommending stacking in absurd dosages. There are several reasons.

1. You do not need to stack for the extra anabolic effect because you are a novice. Save it till later. I gained 12 lbs on 2 amps of winstroll per week for 6 weeks.

2. You need to take single compounds to find out which work for you and which do not, and at what dosage. This is very important.

3. To learn how NOT TO RELY on steroids. learn your diet, training and recuperation methods first, then add a little anabolic kick. Do not use anabolics as a crutch or shortcut.

Always keep the dosages to a minnimum, anabolics are no joke, they are legitimate medications intended to cure and treat a lot of diseases. They are not candy or creatine chews and should be taken seriousley. As i am sure you learned after your first cycle.


Sincerely.

 

[frorider6]

So where the hell were you guys when I posted my first cycle for peer review? I was going to start at 250 mg sust per week but bumped it up after everyone said I should be running double that doseage. I never heard any dissenting views.

As for the deca, I've heard it a good muscle builder and it has many beneficial properties on the joints. I just worry about controlling the progesterone related sides.