I have been using the same combo as Ilk, per her suggestion, and appears to be working GREAT for me. I just wish they could get rid of the smell in these things. Everyday they get harder and harder to swallow.
Overall I still give it a thumbs up...results out weigh the smell
oh and Ilk I don't know how you take them on empty stomach, I tried but found made me a little queasy, I do much better if I can eat at least a little something before taking. But that is just me.