Thermogenics...recommendations?

[Thundergut]

Read the threads, and love the info here. Quick question here...

I'm 6'1", 300lbs. I do some HIIT cardio every day, and weights. I'm starting to get more serious about my body, and I need a little help.

I'm looking for a supp thats going to provide some Thermogenic/fatburning effects, and some appetite suppression effects...so I can work on doing more MRP shakes, and cutting as many calories as I can, while maintaining some form of energy level.

I've read the threads on T-rex and StimX. I hate ordering things online, so I'm looking for something I might be able to pick up at the local Vitamin Shoppe that will provide the same type of results.

Any advice or suggestions (yes yes, I know...cardio and diet, drink more water, etc....) on thermo/burners or the like, would be most appreciated. If all else fails, I'll order some T-rex or StimX online and give 'em a roll, but I'd rather try local first.

 

[*Bunny*]

There are no in store thermos i would rec... sorry guy .. I'd save your money & try the T-Rex ... I'll bump for you though

 

[Thundergut]

I appreciate it Bunny!

 

[*Bunny*]

You know the best fat burner out there is your Diet I know you said this but

How is your diet doing?

Maybe you should alternate HIIT & steady state cardio ... ?

I cannot comment on Stim X just yet, but the appy supp & fat burning, I'm telling you order the T-Rex. If I had any samples lying around I'd send you a free one ...

 

[Thundergut]

Oh, hey, forgot to ask...

Since you recommend T-rex, would you recommend a stack with Levorex? If not that combo, what would ya'll recommend?

Will these help with energy levels as well? Being that it's summer, by the time I get home from work I just feel like taking a nap (I'm very cold-weather oriented). Will T-rex, Levorex, or the recommended stack help with flagging energy levels?

Also, if I decide to do T-rex (and Levorex, or whatever else is recommended), would a fairly low calorie diet hurt? I've been to a nutritionist and figured out that I need around 3400 cals/day to maintain my current weight.

If I were to drop down to:

breakfast - low-fat waffles with peanut butter and banana
mid-morning - myoplex shake
lunch - either lg. salad or chicken & veggies
mid-afternoon - myoplex shake or pre-workout protein shake
early evening - pwo shake
dinner - chicken or salmon and veggies

Would that be beneficial? or would you suggest maybe a Myoplex shake for breakfast and lunch, pwo shake, and dinner as above...as long as the energy levels stay high?

Any advice or suggestions are more than welcome.

 

[poysyn]

at a glance the calories on that diet might be way to low and def need more EFA's in there..

 

[Thundergut]

EFAs?

 

[*Bunny*]

Oh, hey, forgot to ask...

Since you recommend T-rex, would you recommend a stack with Levorex? If not that combo, what would ya'll recommend? Absolutely, if you can afford supps, Levorex is a non stim fat burner and a great overall health supplement Stacked Beautifully with T-Rex or Cardio breeze...

Will these help with energy levels as well? Being that it's summer, by the time I get home from work I just feel like taking a nap (I'm very cold-weather oriented). Will T-rex, Levorex, or the recommended stack help with flagging energy levels? T-Rex & Cardio Breeze yes, Levorex not really ... (Non-stim caffeine free)

Also, if I decide to do T-rex (and Levorex, or whatever else is recommended), would a fairly low calorie diet hurt? I've been to a nutritionist and figured out that I need around 3400 cals/day to maintain my current weight. Depends on what you mean by low calorie .. if you undereat, your body will look for the food you are not feeding it .. and what better food than your MUSCLES ... which you need to burn fat betta

What are you currently eating ... plug the figures into www.fitday.com so we can have abetter look at your cals & macro (Protein / Carbs / Fat %'s ...) .

If I were to drop down to:

breakfast - low-fat waffles with peanut butter and banana I would use better carb source here... old fashioned slow cooked oats... flavor with cinn & splenda if need be, or Berries
mid-morning - myoplex shake Which one?
lunch - either lg. salad or chicken & veggies
mid-afternoon - myoplex shake or pre-workout protein shake 3 of these are shakes.. now that is OK but realy food is always the better choice ehere... as you get into this lifestyle change you need to eat real foods...
early evening - pwo shake I def. rec. a PWO shake OR a real meal.. this is completely UP TO YOU ... everyone will give you reasons why one is better than the other.... I approve both & have used both with fantasic results
dinner - chicken or salmon and veggies Highly recommend Protein & fat before bed, esp since your goal is fat loss...

Would that be beneficial? or would you suggest maybe a Myoplex shake for breakfast and lunch, pwo shake, and dinner as above...as long as the energy levels stay high? Not so many shakes.. look to real foods

Any advice or suggestions are more than welcome.

*Basic info on EFA definition*

 

[zaxxon1982]

Also, if I decide to do T-rex (and Levorex, or whatever else is recommended), would a fairly low calorie diet hurt? I've been to a nutritionist and figured out that I need around 3400 cals/day to maintain my current weight.

So does this mean you're more comfortable ordering online after all?

Back on topic, if you're going to stack TRex with anything I'd recommend Glucorell-R from Anabolic Fitness ("AF" henceforth) or K-RALA from Protein Factory ("PF" from here on) . These basically ensure carbs are taken to muscle tissue instead of being stored as fat. The reason you'll need one of these with TRex is that TRex needs carbs to work right, so you want to ensure that the carbs are always working for you since you WILL be consuming them.

Both products contain 100 mg of their main ingredient: K-RALA for PF and R-ALA for AF. The biggest chemical difference between the AF and PF products is that PF "stabilized" (their word) the R-ALA with potassium (thus, K-RALA), which they claim improves bioavailability. The other difference is that AF's product has 750 mcg of biotin, compared to PF's 150. AF probably did this to help with the bioavailability problem (my SWAG there). Biotin also has a nice other effect, which is that it improves the body's response to lignans (lignans are the main ingredients in many supps, including many EFA supps and AF's Sesapure).

On a practical level, PF's cost about 33 cents per cap, compared to AF's 13 to 15 cents per cap (depending on the package you get). That's pretty much washed out in that the recommended use is 1-3 caps daily for the K-RALA and 1 cap per 30g carbs for the Glucorell-R. My somewhat educated guess is that the difference in dosage is due to the difference in bioavailability mentioned above. I think it comes down to whether you're comfortable swallowing lots of pills or not. If so, either is fine. If not, the PF stuff will save you some pillswallowing.

Also, be sure to read and remember this before going to AF:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2972599&postcount=1

 

[macrophage69alpha]

k-rala is less bioavailable. because addition of the pottassium makes it more hydrophillic. There is no evidence that its more stable, even it were k-rala is made via extraction 80/20 R+/S- as opposed to synthesis (glucorell is 99+% R+). If any of the claims about k-rala were true AF would be carrying it (properly tested and at a better price... of course )

 

[zaxxon1982]

k-rala is less bioavailable. because addition of the pottassium makes it more hydrophillic. There is no evidence that its more stable, even it were k-rala is made via extraction 80/20 R+/S- as opposed to synthesis (glucorell is 99+% R+). If any of the claims about k-rala were true AF would be carrying it (properly tested and at a better price... of course )

Like I said, their words, my SWAG, neither of which seems particularly accurate. Meh. Thanks for the clarifications.

Edit: In a quintessential example of supplement industry marketing, PF claims that k-rala is actually more bioavailable because addition of the potassium makes it more hydrophillic. You gotta love supplement marketing... 1 guy says X is good because of Y. The next says X is bad because of Y. "Properly tested"... that's the key.

 

[Thundergut]

Thanks a ton for the info all. Bunny, you are the *bomb* for certain!

So does this mean you're more comfortable ordering online after all?

I'll never be "comfortable" with it, just like some folks will never be "comfortable" with needles. But there are sometimes when you just gotta bite the bullet and do the damn thing.

Going to place an order for T-rex and Glucorell R today or tomorrow, depending on price may throw in some Levorex, we'll see. Who knows, maybe in time I'll be able to post my own before/after story here

 

[*Bunny*]

Thanks a ton for the info all. Bunny, you are the *bomb* for certain!



I'll never be "comfortable" with it, just like some folks will never be "comfortable" with needles. But there are sometimes when you just gotta bite the bullet and do the damn thing.

Going to place an order for T-rex and Glucorell R today or tomorrow, depending on price may throw in some Levorex, we'll see. Who knows, maybe in time I'll be able to post my own before/after story here

Thunder I have been there ... PLEASE trust me... when it comes to WHAT I put in my body I am serious, and feel free to call me out & confront me about any suggestions I give you if you feel they in any way bad advice. I would never give anyone intentional BAD advice, noir do I work for anafit, but if you're goignto spend $$ on supps, why NOT use what works better than the in-store product? If you are not satisifed call customer service over there, & they should give you a no questions asked refund.

This is a link to my story I recently told after being here over a year ...
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/announcement.php?f=9&announcementid=249

Supp list in there, and WHY I use supps & which ones.

Remember if you do NOT feel comfortable with the company then by all means do NOT by the product.

Good luck & please keep us posted... I would love to hear of your progress & success.

Train Hard! Eat Healthy! Be Happy

 

[Thundergut]

Thunder I have been there ... PLEASE trust me... when it comes to WHAT I put in my body I am serious, and feel free to call me out & confront me about any suggestions I give you if you feel they in any way bad advice. I would never give anyone intentional BAD advice, noir do I work for anafit, but if you're goignto spend $$ on supps, why NOT use what works better than the in-store product? If you are not satisifed call customer service over there, & they should give you a no questions asked refund.

This is a link to my story I recently told after being here over a year ...
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/announcement.php?f=9&announcementid=249

Supp list in there, and WHY I use supps & which ones.

Remember if you do NOT feel comfortable with the company then by all means do NOT by the product.

Good luck & please keep us posted... I would love to hear of your progress & success.

Train Hard! Eat Healthy! Be Happy

Don't misunderstand my reluctance, Bunny

I've read your story several times, and it's very good. I don't think you have any affiliation with Anafit aside from using their products.

My issues with ordering online stem not from being ripped off by bad product or unreliable companies, but from a bit of CC fraud I fell victim to a while back. That's my only issue.

Anafit takes MO's, right?

Also that discount code "afdiscount" didn't do anything to my order cost, should it have?

 

[*Bunny*]

Don't misunderstand my reluctance, Bunny

I've read your story several times, and it's very good. I don't think you have any affiliation with Anafit aside from using their products.

My issues with ordering online stem not from being ripped off by bad product or unreliable companies, but from a bit of CC fraud I fell victim to a while back. That's my only issue.

Anafit takes MO's, right?

Also that discount code "afdiscount" didn't do anything to my order cost, should it have?

No misunderstanding at all hun I guess i should have been more clear... sorry

Thanks for reading it though ...

My point for sending the link was to give you a break down of possible supps with corresponding links so you could have looksy.

Sorry about the CC issues .. I'm sure they do. PM Ulter to make sure, or call them, they are more than willing to help in anyway

 

[Kold_Killa]

Thundergut

are you on a wireless network?? If so make sure it is ENCRYPTED... a simple packet sniffer from one of your neighbors could sniff out the send of a CC number... If you are simply the only computer on your modem you should be fine. Nobody is gunna take the time to get into your stuff just at the odd chance they could score that info... I think it is much more dangerous giving a CC number over the phone. Phones (especially cordless) are easy to hack (if you will) and some people are sick and would take the time simply to ease drop for their own fetish. My mother works for the Secret Service and she says it is once in a blue moon that they have CC fraud or identity theft from result of legit internet sites. Most are from scammers or phone or your LOCAL store with punk kids, dishonest people working them. At least with the internet, the common employee never really sees the CC number, it is all taken care of by the computers (assuming they are "uptodate"). So in a sense, internet is better

 

[chicknlegs]

The best thermogenic i have used is Dymaburn by Dymatize. No effects when coming off of it either...
Should give it a try...

 

[macrophage69alpha]

https://www.anabolicfitness.net/coupon.htm

if you have any problems or concerns call them, they are very helpful

 

[Thundergut]

Just ordered myself some T-rex, will keep ya posted! *crosses fingers*

 

[Thundergut]

Got it...goddam thats some FAST shipping for UPS Ground...

 

[Kold_Killa]

Got it...goddam thats some FAST shipping for UPS Ground...

2 days, nice.