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The WAR is OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

theoak01

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for those who know,read and comment Im interested in other views on this and certainly up for some discussion. either way im sure everyone is glad peace is upon such a lovely place,at a time when it only looked to be getting worse.

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The war is over
General John de Chastelain accepts that the complete IRA arsenal has now been decommissioned but Ian Paisley says the public is being conned, claiming there has been a cunning cover-up.


Tuesday September 27th 2005


But doubting Paisley puts peace process on hold

THE IRA's final act of decommissioning has yielded a "massive" arsenal.

It was handed over and independently verified in a painstaking dawn-to-dusk operation which took most of last week to complete.

But it has not been enough to convince the DUP that it should enter into early talks with Sinn Fein for the restoration of devolved government in the North.

Among the haul handed over were flame throwers, surface-to-air missiles, rocket-propelled grenades, rifles, machine guns, mortars, handguns, home-made and commercial explosives - all tagged by the IRA.

The head of the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning (IICD), General John de Chastelain, said: "We are satisfied the arms decommissioned represent the totality of the IRA's arsenal."

But Democratic Unionist Party leader Ian Paisley accused the British and Irish governments of "duplicity and dishonesty" and claimed the Decommissioning Body had been duped by the IRA.

He challenged the Canadian General to produce the proof that all the weapons have been dumped.

The DUP leader claimed: "Instead of openness, there was the cunning tactics of cover-up and a complete failure by General de Chastelain to deal with the vital numerics of decommissioning."

He said that to describe the process as transparent was "the falsehood of the century" and added : "Ulster is not for sale and will not be for sale."

Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams described the IRA move as "a bold and brave leap" by the Provisionals. But Mr Adams said he understood and appreciated that unionists needed time and space to absorb all of what had happened and what it meant. He urged them to reflect on the potential that now existed and to see it as an opportunity. "Some unionists may fear that this is a tactical manoeuvre or an attempt to trap them. It is not. Some unionists have expressed fears about a plan B. There is no plan B. There is no secret agenda," Mr Adams said.

Taoiseach Bertie Ahern described yesterday as "a momentous day" and said the developments were "of enormous consequence", adding: "There is no going back to the bad old days."

In a joint statement with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Mr Ahern said what had happened was "the clearest signal yet that the IRA's armed campaign is over" and called for "the earliest practicable" restoration of the institutions in the best interests of everyone in Northern Ireland.

The White House described the move as "a critical first step towards a lasting peace".

It emerged that General de Chastelain and his assistants, Tauno Nieminen and Andrew Sens, had worked from 6am to midnight on several days last week to verify the process.

They disclosed to a dramatic Belfast news conference that they had examined every single weapon handed up by the IRA. Gen de Chastelain said: "We have now reported to the British and Irish governments that we have observed and verified events to put beyond use very large quantities of arms which we believe include all the arms in the IRA's possession."

Two churchmen who witnessed the arms disposal, former Methodist president Rev Harold Good and Redemptorist priest Fr Alex Reid, said they were "absolutely certain beyond any shadow of doubt" that all the IRA arsenal was gone.

Fr Reid said he was prepared to stake his life that the IRA was serious about what it had done and that it had held no arms back.

Rev Good, saying he believed the evidence of his own eyes which he had used as "the lens of the community", pleaded with people: "Do trust us."

He said "massive amounts" of weaponry were destroyed and added: "It is our hope that this development will become a benchmark for the peaceful resolution of political conflicts everywhere and that for the people of Northern Ireland it will herald the dawn of a new era of peace."

Gene McKenna, Tom Brady and Dominic Cunningham



© Irish Independent
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/ & http://www.unison.ie/
 
Good to know that they are really striving for peace now. I think a good deal of this is due to the UN's view on terrorism and Irelands rapid industrial and tech growth. The job market there is thriving and the economy is becoming strong for the first time in centuries. I think the IRA is going to capitalize on the political aspects of this move, and I hope they do it well and with purpose to better the lives of all in NI.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Scotsman said:
Good to know that they are really striving for peace now. I think a good deal of this is due to the UN's view on terrorism and Irelands rapid industrial and tech growth. The job market there is thriving and the economy is becoming strong for the first time in centuries. I think the IRA is going to capitalize on the political aspects of this move, and I hope they do it well and with purpose to better the lives of all in NI.

Cheers,
Scotsman


yeah things were not looking good a few years back, good to hear.
 
I thought George Mitchell negotiated the war ending years ago...and received some phat ass peace prize? How can it be over twice?

Phuggers.

And their soccer team is a mess.
 
gotmilk said:
I thought George Mitchell negotiated the war ending years ago...and received some phat ass peace prize? How can it be over twice?

Phuggers.

And their soccer team is a mess.


Sinn fein never agreed to Mithchell's treaty, and the english broke it as well creating the re-insurgence of the conflict.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
gotmilk said:
They should take back his peace prize


Well he did get the main body of the IRA to agree to it and both parties at the table ratified it. Plus there was a period of non-violence so it isn't like he didn't accomplish anything, but his work was undone.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
yup he got something accomplished but until now nobody has ever got the IRA to throw down arms,they only had short peace times where nobody got killed.

Im really suprised that this happened right now because belfast has been a fucking war zone lately, the fucking UDF has been on a rampage killing all kinds of civi's. hopefully someone sorts those fuckers out because they are pretty damn bad aswell,right up there with the IRA in my opinion.

if anyone is interested on the history of this war pick up the book "A secret history of the IRA" it goes into everything about them,their sinn fein connections,different attempts to obtain arms and how bad shit could have got. I just finished it this summer,and man NI especially belfast was real close to being non exhistant
 
lol I honestly doubt the IRA has cleared out all their stores,especially with killings on catholic civilians as recent as last week and the strong opposition to it all by fuckhead Ian Paisley.

however Mr Paisley better now realize what the fuck the IRA had in store as SAM's were some of the weapons the IRA got rid of, not just guns like the other side thought.
 
All it takes is one cargo container to restock the arsenal with better equipment, they just gave away the floormodels.
It wont be over til they get off my island
 
those are my thoughts exactly man.

but honestly the problem isnt even with the english anymore,both sides are just so stubborn and hateful that a pull out of the british would leave everyone in the north dead or in constant danger
 
There's only one side thats stubborn, the Sinn Fein, Provos, IRA and the Catholics are moving forward with or without them, the Irish people are sick of this nonsense, the points been made, the objective has been met of showing that you cant murder, starve and persecute a population on their own island. The only ones holding back are the ones that are going to find themselves assed out politically and by majority. If there is to be peace
 
I agree with you 100%, the prod's are holding on to nothing,if they would work together the entire island could prosper,instead NI is a very poor place and there is no fookin reason for it
 
TheOak01 said:
I agree with you 100%, the prod's are holding on to nothing,if they would work together the entire island could prosper,instead NI is a very poor place and there is no fookin reason for it


Both sides brought up youth who had no clue but hatred, the Catholics saw that there was no future in drugdealing and thievery, the protestants still embrace this paramilitary dream of glory but lil more than inept crooks building pipe bombs against a much better organized adversary that holds back b/c of the british military. There is no dispute if gloves were off who would win.

Btw, I think you'd like the movie The General about Martin Cahill, pronounced KAHhill lolol. One of my favorites


When the Irish Republican Army executed Martin Cahill in August, 1994, nobody was happier than the Dublin police.

Known in Ireland as "The General", Martin Cahill was an old style, working-class criminal whose derring-do humiliated authorities and provided plenty of fodder for Irish newspapers looking for comic relief in the dark days of Irish politics.

From dancing around the courthouse in a pair of Mickey Mouse boxer shorts to pulling off heists of priceless art, Cahill was a mysterious figure who rose from petty thief to the top of Dublin's criminal dung heap.

Adding to Cahill's mystique was the fact that few people - save for his two mistresses, their four children and his crime buddies - ever knew what he actually looked like because he always managed to hide his face from the media.

Cahill's lifetime haul from bank robberies, art gallery thefts, and home burgularies was estimated at nearly 60 million pounds. And while he was no Robin Hood, preferring to steal from the rich and gave to himself, he was certainly an interesting character whose life, crimes and loves formed the basis of Director John Boorman's (Deliverance, Excalibur, Beyond Rangoon, Hope and Glory, Point Blank) 1998 film The General.

Shot entirely in black and white, The General tells the true to life story of Cahill, a small time crook who eventually became Dublin's Godfather of Crime. The film looks at Cahill's crime overlordship with a humourous slant, casting him as an anti-authoritarian hero of the marginalized and the oppressed.

In one scene, he appears as a David against the Goliath of urban progress when he makes a last stand at his low-income housing project even though it is literally being torn down around him.

But the film does not sugar coat his penchant for brutality and violence. In another scene, we see how Cahill treats suspected traitors within his crime organization when he nails the crook's hand to a snooker table in a mock crucifixion.

In yet another scene he tries to assasinate a forensic anthropologist, and in another, he threatens a witness who is slated to testify against him.

His prediliction towards violence proves he had little remorse for his victims. And no one knows that better than Director John Boorman, himself one of Cahill's burgulary victims.

That episode is brought to life in the film when Cahill, played by actor Brendan Gleeson, steals a Gold Record during a home burgulary and breaks it in half when he realizes it isn't gold.

That particular Gold Record was for Duelling Banjos, the hit score from Deliverance, one of Boorman's earlier - and most successful - films.

Not everyone loves The General. According to The Republican News, the voice of the IRA, Boorman's characterization of Martin Cahill is a "major disappointment". Among other criticisms, the News cites Boorman's reference to the Concerned Parents Against Drugs movement as insulting to Cahill's victims. In one hilarious scene, Cahill counters the success of the grass roots CPAD by establishing a parallel group called "Concerned Criminals."

Cahill was no ...hero.... He was the ultimate in authoritarianism and individualism, and was an oppressor to people of his own class who he used, abused and brutalised in order to fulfill his own selfish ambitions. Cahill had no altruistic traits. His motive was pure, unadulterated greed.

He despised the collective will of the people and community empowerment and demonstrated this through his actions against the Concerned Parents movement. Faced with the people power of the CPAD Dublin's drug dealers could no longer threaten or intimidate with impunity. Martin Cahill's response was to establish the `Concerned Criminals' group. Gangsters, under Cahill's direction, targeted the homes of anti-drugs activists and threatened people who involved themselves in marches and pickets. Masked gunmen shot an anti-drugs activist, Joey Flynn, in both legs.

In a review by Roger Ebert, of Siskel and Ebert fame, Ebert says that the real reason Cahill was killed by the IRA was because he interfered in the Irish drug trade. Ebert suggests that Boorman wisely avoided mentioning that fact in the film because he intends to keep working in Ireland.

While we may never know the real reason why Cahill was murdered, we can make up our own minds about the man who became Ireland's most controversial criminal by watching the movie, or by reading the book The General by Paul Williams.
 
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