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The USA Needs a Good War!

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The US will not appreciate what it has until it gets into a huge prolonged war where lots of American boys/girls lose their lives.

You ever wonder why the 1950s were so quiet...it was b/c of WW2.

The US does not understand Europe's reluctance to enter in war because the US has not had to deal with their cities being destroyed and occupied by enemy soldiers.

Maybe once a REAL war has taken place, then the country will clean itself up and focus on important issues such as constitutional rights and freedoms and will stop its political apathy from spreading to newer generations.
 
2Thick said:
The US will not appreciate what it has until it gets into a huge prolonged war where lots of American boys/girls lose their lives.

You ever wonder why the 1950s were so quiet...it was b/c of WW2.

The US does not understand Europe's reluctance to enter in war because the US has not had to deal with their cities being destroyed and occupied by enemy soldiers.

Maybe once a REAL war has taken place, then the country will clean itself up and focus on important issues such as constitutional rights and freedoms and will stop its political apathy from spreading to newer generations.
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Hmmm...I have wondered about these things. Is improving the QOL substantially worth a major war? Good question.
 
i know many people will disagree with me but the american government is a big lie

and i feel the states try to be like the big bully on the school yard,they need to have a war every so often to exercise their powers and intimidate

whatever im a canadian what do i know,i think ill goto bed now
 
2Thick said:
The US will not appreciate what it has until it gets into a huge prolonged war where lots of American boys/girls lose their lives.
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America as a whole or "the powers that be". Realize these are two seperate entities. Sure we can "rally round the fire, with a pocket full of shells" with the best of'em. However most Americans are clueless when it comes to the extent of our involvement in other countries. Even more so about the nature of that affair.

2Thick said:
You ever wonder why the 1950s were so quiet...it was b/c of WW2.[/B]
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The 50's were not quite. Nor did WWII curtail our percieved warring ways. From Russia to Lebanon to Korea and then some. Ironically if you follow the timeline the U.S. was considered a neutral country, isolationist by some until Pearl Harbor. From that moment on it became U.S. policy to be proactive vice reactive. Hence the percieved "BULLY" icon. "paradox"

2Thick said:
The US does not understand Europe's reluctance to enter in war because the US has not had to deal with their cities being destroyed and occupied by enemy soldiers. [/B]
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The bombing of Pearl Harbor and the World Trade Towers is enough for most Americans.

2Thick said:
Maybe once a REAL war has taken place, then the country will clean itself up and focus on important issues such as constitutional rights and freedoms and will stop its political apathy from spreading to newer generations. [/B]
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I'm in agreement with you there. This needs to happen now. I never said America was a perfect place but most certainly not a bad place either. What we need is the U.N. to act in accord to the guidlines they set. Otherwise other rouge countries will percieve this transgression as a sign of weakness.
 
2Thick said:


The US does not understand Europe's reluctance to enter in war because the US has not had to deal with their cities being destroyed and occupied by enemy soldiers.

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How do you explain Englands stance then? I mean, they definitely know what it is like to be bombed(attemptedly) into submission, but they wholeheartedly(at least the Blair regime) support the USA in an Iraqi invasion. Your statement was too inclusive in my opinion.

That being said brother, MOST(if not all) of the Wars after WWII that the USA was involved in, had more economic and political overtones, moreso than anything even remotely dealing with "freedom". It has been documented that there were defense contracts to be lost, as one of the major reasons that the Vietnam War went on as long as it did. I think(my opinion) that the USA sees War as "ecomomic stimuli" at times. Afterall, War does do alot to put people to work,. I feel that a similar agenda exists with this BULLSHIT that the Republicans are trying to feed us now, as well as their persistence in persuing the USA's "War on Drugs". None of these reasons are justification for War.

By the way...In case spongebob decides to chime in asking where I got my documented info: Read The Arrogance of Power by Anthony Summers you goof.
 
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I live in the UK and I can say that there are many UK residents who are dead set against going to war with Iraq. Many support the war on terrorism.......but Iraq is seen as having been chosen for the wrong reasons.

I used to have alot of respect for Blair......he could have sorted this country out. However, wasting billions on a war when our country has other problems that this money could alleviate is just plain stupid. There are other reasons for my decreasing respect for him......but this situation just says it all.

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How do you explain Englands stance then? I mean, they definitely know what it is like to be bombed(attemptedly) into submission, but they wholeheartedly(at least the Blair regime) support the USA in an Iraqi invasion. Your statement was too inclusive in my opinion.

That being said brother, MOST(if not all) of the Wars after WWII that the USA was involved in, had more economic and political overtones, moreso than anything even remotely dealing with "freedom". It has been documented that there were defense contracts to be lost, as one of the major reasons that the Vietnam War went on as long as it did. I think(my opinion) that the USA sees War as "ecomomic stimuli" at times. Afterall, War does do alot to put people to work,. I feel that a similar agenda exists with this BULLSHIT that the Republicans are trying to feed us now, as well as their persistence in persuing the USA's "War on Drugs". None of these reasons are justification for War.

By the way...In case spongebob decides to chime in asking where I got my documented info: Read The Arrogance of Power by Anthony Summers you goof.
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We HAD a long drawn out war- Vietnam- all it did was help divide the country.
However, Iraq, if Bush actualy has information that they are planning terrorist attacks, is different. We WERE attacked by terrorists. Iraq supports that terrorism. The destruction of the twin towers was an act of war- and we declared a war on terrorism- something we SHOULD have done 12 years ago.
 
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Zerxes said:


How do you explain Englands stance then? I mean, they definitely know what it is like to be bombed(attemptedly) into submission, but they wholeheartedly(at least the Blair regime) support the USA in an Iraqi invasion. Your statement was too inclusive in my opinion.
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imnotdutch said this, but the country is actually in a very narrow majority for opposing a US led invasion of iraq

in fact there have been huge demonstrations against it over here, and the country as a whole would only really favour it if it was legitamately UN backed

in fact lots of europe is against it at the moment

and blair isnt as big a mouthpiece for our country as people think.....he;s losing a lot of his grassroots support as he;s basically slowly shifting his party to a stance of right wing, when its supposed to be left wing, and screwing up the country doing it
 
I´m form brazil, and, it´s incredable how you, americans, doesn´t know about the rest of the world.

This war is not to protect you, is for oil, for domination.

Before make a war, why not ask the reason for terrorist atitudes. Of course any terrorist attack have to be repproved, violence it´s the worst thing to use
But try to know, to learn, the reasons.
 
USA donsn´t like IRAQ before the 11 setember.
You have to reprove a president that use the death of a lot of people to the reason to control that region. TO control more oil.
 
This has got to be the most ridiculous thread. We live in the greatest country in the world. I don't care if people know it or not and I'm not willing to die just so that they will know it. I'll die to protect my country from our enemies. No body needs a war. I can't believe you would be willing to sacrafice the lives of thousands so that "The US will apprecite what it has". Would you sacrafice your life so that the US would appreciate what it has. Intenceman had a good point with Vietnam.

Supernav:"I think a good drawn-out war will FINALLY make america realize, what the rest of the world has already learned....to keep YOUR NOSE out of other people's business. "

If/when we do go to war, it is to protect our country this time, so what you said makes no sense. BTW, When we liberated Kuwait it was so we wouldn't lose one of our greatest oil suppliers. That was for the good of our economy.
 
Our Greatest Oil suppliers

Canada/Venezula, and Mexico aren't too far behind...Another key spot but lets just say it's not the Middle East

Where the fuck do all of you people Get this information that we import so much oil from the middle East. I'd like to read some of these sources, I know my father would be confused as hell considering he's spent his entire Professional life in the Oil/Gas business and doesn't understand why the appalling reactions like this
 
Sailor_Girl said:
We live in the greatest country in the world.
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To get off topic for a minute........statements like this really bug the shit outta me. How do you know that the USA is the greatest country in the world? To know that you would have had to have lived in every other country for extended periods of time.
 
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Imnotdutch said:
I live in the UK and I can say that there are many UK residents who are dead set against going to war with Iraq. Many support the war on terrorism.......but Iraq is seen as having been chosen for the wrong reasons.

I used to have alot of respect for Blair......he could have sorted this country out. However, wasting billions on a war when our country has other problems that this money could alleviate is just plain stupid. There are other reasons for my decreasing respect for him......but this situation just says it all.
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This is definately true, and I was in London and Paris back in October and I was surprised at just how opposed to the war Europeans are. I saw flyers, posters, a few demonstartions, as well as many other indications of how the people there just do not support the war with Iraq/Sadam/Afghanistan.
 
2Thick said:

You ever wonder why the 1950s were so quiet...it was b/c of WW2.
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You are sadly mistaken!! The United States had one of the largest economic booms in history! We had a massive upsurge in mortgage loans for housing, automobile purchases, and business expansion. This was the era of rapid suburbanization.

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Maybe once a REAL war has taken place, then the country will clean itself up and focus on important issues such as constitutional rights and freedoms and will stop its political apathy from spreading to newer generations.[/QUOTE]

You certainly must not be an American. You display so much pessimism towards the most concrete government in the world.
 
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Who is to say that the US needs the Middle East to supply us oil more than they need us to buy it? Free trade has been shown to work over the years. These people live off selling oil and we buy a shitload of it.

I don't fully understand what the hell we are doing in the Middle East acting as a police force. It doesn't make sense to me. Surely the military money that we spend to sustain our actions in this region outweigh any savings on oil that we receive because of our involvement.

In the long run, I feel that a war might be inevitable. Iraq is really the least of our problems in the long run war on terror. A regime change in Iraq would shift the balance of power in the middle east as a whole and it could mean a lot in the future.
 
WTF?!?! Niggas like Edu & 2Thick need to realize that:

WE ARE NOT FIGHTING FOR OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE ARE TRYING TO STOP ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS MEN ON THE PLANET, FROM SOME DAY ATTACKING US OR NEARBY COUNTRIES HE DOESNT LIKE.

Saddam is a person who would have ran his country into the ground both economically and otherwise long ago, had it not been sitting on a sea of oil.

Will Saddam be a Castro or a Hitler? I dont want to wait around and find out. What I mean, by the above question is this: Castro was considered a threat for a long time. But aside from the Cuban Missle Crisis, he has never really done anything and really cant do anything due to his location and embargos. By a Hitler, I mean someone who will use their power & influence to strike against the US. In a way, Saddam already is a Hitler, since he has attacked other countries and then fought against the US.

What do you want, 2Thick? Do you want Saddam to bomb innocent people, both in his country and elsewhere? Why take the chance??

And for the fucks who say we're "fighting for oil"... I say, "to the victor go the spoils". We arent fighting for oil, but if we win, why be stupid and not take it?
 
BeefyBull said:
WTF?!?! Niggas like Edu & 2Thick need to realize that:

WE ARE NOT FIGHTING FOR OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE ARE TRYING TO STOP ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS MEN ON THE PLANET, FROM SOME DAY ATTACKING US OR NEARBY COUNTRIES HE DOESNT LIKE.

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That is complete and utter bullshit fed to you by the american government relayed by the media

Pakistan and India are greater thrreats,they have been constantly using threats of nukes on each other for some time now

And this situation would not have happened had sept 11 not have occured.

And oh what a convinient time to start a war,Bush wants to use this to stay in office,You would have figured he would have learned from Daddy.

And SailorGirl what makes america great? Canada was been recognized as the best place to live for some time now
 
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louden_swain said:


You are sadly mistaken!! The United States had one of the largest economic booms in history! We had a massive upsurge in mortgage loans for housing, automobile purchases, and business expansion. This was the era of rapid suburbanization.
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It was quiet militarily. The result was a boom in the economy. You totally missed the point.

You certainly must not be an American. You display so much pessimism towards the most concrete government in the world.
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I hold an American passport. The difference between you and I is that I have (and will continue) to live in other countries. Oh yeah, and the advanced degrees that allow me to see things that lay persons are too busy or too ignorant to see.

The average American is far more concerned with mortgage payments, the stock market, their 40 hours/week job and their retirement to care or comprehend what is going on with their country's geopolitical policies. they just take the word of their leaders. That is a recipe for disaster.
 
You have a lot of oil.
But you buy more oil, and more, the oil is an estragegic component.
THe problem is that you don´t know about the rest of the world. Study, see the past, USA created Saddam USA created Bin Laden, You are the guilty for the criation of this " two monsters" You give weapons to him in the 70-80'.


PS: USA is the best place to live???
I think that some people have to travel.
You are not the center of the world. YOu are the leader of the world in this century. Won´t be for the eternity. Don´t think that you are the best.
You must travel, see other good countries to live. See the porr countries too, see the people that don´t have nothing to eat.
Yes, the best country, make war, kill innocent people, make financial domination of other countries, produce poverty, hungry...

Yes, this is your country, don´t think that you live in a paradise.
Get out of your little world man.
 
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2Thick said:


It was quiet militarily. The result was a boom in the economy. You totally missed the point.



I hold an American passport. The difference between you and I is that I have (and will continue) to live in other countries. Oh yeah, and the advanced degrees that allow me to see things that lay persons are too busy or too ignorant to see.

The average American is far more concerned with mortgage payments, the stock market, their 40 hours/week job and their retirement to care or comprehend what is going on with their country's geopolitical policies. they just take the word of their leaders. That is a recipe for disaster.
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Saddam and Hittler are totaly different. Again, you need to no more the history. I will give an advice for your. Learn ohter language and read newspapers, magazines, and good books of ohter countries. Analyse the point of view for the hole world.
 
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Edu said:


Saddam and Hittler are totaly different. Again, you need to no more the history. I will give an advice for your. Learn ohter language and read newspapers, magazines, and good books of ohter countries. Analyse the point of view for the hole world.
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Did you mean to reply to me?
 
BeefyBull said:
WTF?!?! Niggas like Edu & 2Thick need to realize that:

WE ARE NOT FIGHTING FOR OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE ARE TRYING TO STOP ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS MEN ON THE PLANET, FROM SOME DAY ATTACKING US OR NEARBY COUNTRIES HE DOESNT LIKE.

Saddam is a person who would have ran his country into the ground both economically and otherwise long ago, had it not been sitting on a sea of oil.

Will Saddam be a Castro or a Hitler? I dont want to wait around and find out. What I mean, by the above question is this: Castro was considered a threat for a long time. But aside from the Cuban Missle Crisis, he has never really done anything and really cant do anything due to his location and embargos. By a Hitler, I mean someone who will use their power & influence to strike against the US. In a way, Saddam already is a Hitler, since he has attacked other countries and then fought against the US.

What do you want, 2Thick? Do you want Saddam to bomb innocent people, both in his country and elsewhere? Why take the chance??

And for the fucks who say we're "fighting for oil"... I say, "to the victor go the spoils". We arent fighting for oil, but if we win, why be stupid and not take it?
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the most dangerous man on the planet.......lol well maybe if you wish but created and equiped by you. Smart move right ?
 
And for the fucks who say we're "fighting for oil"... I say, "to the victor go the spoils". We arent fighting for oil, but if we win, why be stupid and not take it?
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Because have a lot of people that buy food with the money of this oil.

How are you so stupid? You think that the world is a game, that you have to win and take things of the others.
 
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Edu said:


probabily I put the wrong quote.
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You definitely put the wrong quote. Do you speak French, German or Spanish?

If you do, write me in those languages b/c I know that English is not your first language and you would be playing with serious fire if you replied to me like that.
 
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2Thick said:


You definitely put the wrong quote. Do you speak French, German or Spanish?

If you do, write me in those languages b/c I know that English is not your first language and you would be playing with serious fire if you replied to me like that.
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Portuguese.

Voce quer que eu fale portugues com voce?
acho q vai ser dificil!!!

WHy I´m playing with serius fire if i talk to you with my poor english.
 
Who cares if we ARE fighting for oil? If Iraq wants to cripple the economy of any country it wishes by controlling the worlds oil supply, we NEED to stop them.

Oil is the life's blood of the WORLD. Control oil, and you control the world. Period.
 
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Edu said:


Portuguese.

Voce quer que eu fale portugues com voce?
acho q vai ser dificil!!!

WHy I´m playing with serius fire if i talk to you with my poor english.
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I cannot write in Portugese but I can read it.

I meant that if you replied to me with what you said in your response to my quote, you would be greatly mistaken.
 
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2Thick said:


You definitely put the wrong quote. Do you speak French, German or Spanish?
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then why dont you post on the Spanish board and tell them how great Deca is ? ahahahaha pussy........


just kidding :)
 
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2Thick said:


I cannot write in Portugese but I can read it.

I meant that if you replied to me with what you said in your response to my quote, you would be greatly mistaken.
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Eu nao respondi de modo agressivo. Voce que entendeu errado, mas, tudo bem. Sem problemas.
 
Você fala 4 linguas e sabe ler uma quinta. Parabéns!. Pretendo, também, aprender outras linguas e aperfeiçoar meu inglês.
 
Edu said:
Você fala 4 linguas e sabe ler uma quinta. Parabéns!. Pretendo, também, aprender outras linguas e aperfeiçoar meu inglês.
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Your English is pretty good. I have learned the languages by living in the countries that speak them. It makes it a lot easier.

Learning new languages is scientifically proven to expand your mind and allows you to learn more and fatser.
 
Not all true....

BeefyBull said:
....WE ARE NOT FIGHTING FOR OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE ARE TRYING TO STOP ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS MEN ON THE PLANET, FROM SOME DAY ATTACKING US OR NEARBY COUNTRIES HE DOESNT LIKE....
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Actually, we pretty much are.

However, there are other interests. When we went in back in 1990, Saudi Arabia only allowed us to use their bases IF we promised not to unseat Saddam. The Saudi's are big financial supporters of terrorism....Iraq is a place that physically supports terrorism. That's why they aren't fighting us on this....they could be declared terrorists next with the proof we have on them.
 
manny78 said:


the most dangerous man on the planet.......lol well maybe if you wish but created and equiped by you. Smart move right ?
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Read the history of Iraq, the U.S. did not put Saddam into power. In essence his regime took over the regime that we help support take over the at the time another fanatical regime. This is not a new concept and ALL countries are guilty of this type of "hands on politics" in some segment of their timeline. Furthermore Quwait pleeded for help while the U.N. turned their head.

Neither was OSBL the head of the Taliban and Al-Quida, he's more of a figurehead or spokesman a financier. The mission in Afganistan was NOT to bring back OSBL's head on a spear. I'm sure some on the presidents staff disagreed with that diction. Regaurdless the skirmish in Afganistan was a success, the mission was accomplished.
 
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The American puplic has known about OSBL since the "Iran Contra" affair it wasn't just Bush Sr. and Jr. who dropped the ball on that one.
 
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That is false. Oliver North did not mention OBL during the Iran/Contra affair. It is an unsubstantiated rumor.
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Ok since before Granted,

"The truth of the matter is that it wasn't Osma bin Laden that Oliver North named during the 1987 hearings. bin Laden had not yet developed his real hatred for America yet and in fact, was a friend of the U.S. when Afghanistan was fighting the Soviets."

However Bush Sr. and Jr. are no more responsible that Bill Clinton and his camp.

"From 1993 World Trade Center bombing in New York, the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa, and is apparently linked to the attack of the destroyer USS Cole in Aden, Yemen, in 2000 and the September 11th, 2001 events in New York City and Washington,DC."

I'm not one to pint a finger of indignation all I know is there's work to be done.

My point is still valid. More leaders were responsible than you gave credit for.
 
minion said:


Read the history of Iraq, the U.S. did not put Saddam into power. In essence his regime took over the regime that we help support take over the at the time another fanatical regime. This is not a new concept and ALL countries are guilty of this type of "hands on politics" in some segment of their timeline. Furthermore Quwait pleeded for help while the U.N. turned their head.

Neither was OSBL the head of the Taliban and Al-Quida, he's more of a figurehead or spokesman a financier. The mission in Afganistan was NOT to bring back OSBL's head on a spear. I'm sure some on the presidents staff disagreed with that diction. Regaurdless the skirmish in Afganistan was a success, the mission was accomplished.
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I think we read different histories. But you are american, so it´s compreensive that you deffend your country.

Not all countreis are guilty, Brazil isn´t guilty, don´t put my country in this shit.
 
supernav said:
My pet peeve is:

Seems like Bush has all but forgotten about Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, Saudi's and all his cronies. Nice to see Bush basically allowed him to escape. And now he wants to concentrate all his resources and time on a long-drawn out war on Iraq.
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I wouldnt necessarily agree, Nav. I imagine the Al Qaeda people that are captured are being tortured deep inside a milit. base right now.

I recently read an article in which a former CIA agent said that he thought Al Qaeda was about as good as KGB was years ago now that the world has seen their manuals. (Although I personally thing a lot of it is info you could get of the 'net).
 
Basically, youre attacking Iraq because they MIGHT have weapons of mass destruction and they MIGHT use them in the future. apparently thats reason to invade a country.

well hello.

the usa HAS weapons of mass destruction and HAS used them several times

(nagasaki, hiroshima, remember that time the afghans fled by the millions to pakistan and you guys were attentive enough to drop a daisy cutter on their ass on their way out, FLEEING?)

remember in Chile when they had democratic elections and somebody won who wouldn`t toss over all their natural resources to the usa for nothing and help the starving people instead?
I`m talking Nixons time here.
Kissinger had it all figured out.
the CIA infiltrated state instances bribing chile people.
the highest man in the army was faithful to the people of chile and would not let himself be bribed. on the way to a meeting the road was blocked, he had to take a detour over a smaller road, he was stopped and liquidated. the new leader was bribed and fought a military coup overthrowing the democratic leader that did not suit the usa.
then of all hypocrisy, they act like pinochet is so evil and so nasty, while its the usas MAN!!!!!!!

the same thing happened in many countries.
libya, Zaire, argentina, saudi arabia.

its modern day colonialism. at least as violent as the old kind, with a solid dose of hypocrisy to it.

Iraq is next I suppose.

The EU is no better and plays it all together with the USA.
 
Edu said:


I think we read different histories. But you are american, so it´s compreensive that you deffend your country.

Not all countreis are guilty, Brazil isn´t guilty, don´t put my country in this shit.
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ALL countries are guilty of this type of "hands on politics" in some segment of their timeline
What do you think I meant by this? I believe you misinterpret my meaning.
 
supernav said:
>the usa HAS weapons of mass destruction and HAS used them
>several times

Yeah, but we're America. We can do whatever the hell we want, cuz we know what's right for everybody (sarcasm intended).

-= nav =-
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But, maybe in the future the USA won´t be the leader, the best militar country. And I think that your sun won´t agree with your opinion.
 
Nasty Black Bitch said:


Brazil is guilty of simply being a piece of shit nation of transplanted spics. Police in your shithole nation just take street criminal behind their vans and put a bullet in their heads. Gee, that's swell.

Oh...fuck the Gracies...they are only bitchy little babies who wont fight anyone tough unless they get special 2 hour time limits.
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You don´t know Brazil, you don´t know our past. We have big different histories, with your colonization it´s more easy to be a great nation.

The polices? oh man, what you know about my country? What you wach in your TV. HHAHAHAHHAHA. Oh man, TV is a good instrument to manipulate weak minds like your.

I´m not talking about J.J. Brazil is not the gracies, but they are very good.
 
And your country and stupid people like you are guilty of some brazilian's problems.
Your country try to teach democracy, and doesn´t know how to make your. You have a president that was elected by the weapons and oil industry.

I wish a day that brazil will be one of the leaders of the world. ANd we won´t make war, make colonization , exploration. We will help africa's countries that you never heard in your life, because you think that the world is north america.
 
supernav said:
>the usa HAS weapons of mass destruction and HAS used them
>several times

Yeah, but we're America. We can do whatever the hell we want, cuz we know what's right for everybody (sarcasm intended).

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that's true (no sarcasm intended) the us doesn't go around testing weapons and such on there own people, they don't believe in a religion that means killing anyone that does not..would you give a BB gun to a retarded child? hell no you wouldn't, they would go around shooting people, and even themselves.
 
Edu said:
I wish a day that brazil will be one of the leaders of the world. ANd we won´t make war, make colonization , exploration. We will help africa's countries that you never heard in your life, because you think that the world is north america.
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Those are AWESOME sentiments, honestly. However the reality is some other more ambitious country would come along run you over. If peace was marketable we would have it in abundance.

I agree with your last sentence though, its high time Americans take an interest in the world around them.
 
big_bad_buff said:



the us doesn't go around testing weapons and such on there own people,


LOL


they don't believe in a religion that means killing anyone that does not..

LOL
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LOL
 
Uh, fact check time....

big_bad_buff said:
....the us doesn't go around testing weapons and such on there own people....
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If you check, you'll find the US military has tested biological and chemical agents on their own troops (often without consent or knowledge of their exposure), experimental biological treatments (vaccines), and they've detonated nukes way too close to soldiers to see what the radiaiton would do to them....lying all the time that a few inches of dirt offered 100% protection from the blast. :(
 
Re: Uh, fact check time....

Baby Gorilla said:
If you check, you'll find the US military has tested biological and chemical agents on their own troops (often without consent or knowledge of their exposure), experimental biological treatments (vaccines), and they've detonated nukes way too close to soldiers to see what the radiaiton would do to them....lying all the time that a few inches of dirt offered 100% protection from the blast. :(
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yup.
 
minion said:


Those are AWESOME sentiments, honestly. However the reality is some other more ambitious country would come along run you over. If peace was marketable we would have it in abundance.

I agree with your last sentence though, its high time Americans take an interest in the world around them.
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I agree with you. It´s a wish, a dream. But Brazil in ambiental questions, comercial questions , drugs (AIDS) has show that our position is to a better world.
 
I expected my last post to cause some rioting and get people banned.

it seems it was absolutely nothing new.

that really just makes it scarier i suppose
 
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