The Unintended Result of the 9-11 Hearings

[slowtom]

Things are moving the general direction of our collective society.

Meaning, we want to protect our freedoms, but aren't sure how to without limiting rights. Whether they are rights of non-citizens, convicts or honest citizens. We want to draw lines, but we want to be able to re-draw them when they make our lives different (not better or worse, simply different).

In the world I work in, higher security measures always equates to two certainties:

1.) Less personal control.
2.) More process and procedures.


Winston Churchill said it best, "If you want to make enemies, try changing something."

Tighter security controls and more accurate intelligence procedures always raise concerns about abuse and/or general use.

I'd suggest reading the following:
Executive Order 12333
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12333.htm

Basically, there are very strict and severe checks and balances to prevent the abuse of intelligence gathering. In fact, local police departments collect more humint on US citizens than the federal government does, mostly because they lack these very checks and balances.

Do I really think that abuse doesn't occur? No, that would be outrageous for me to suggest. But I do not think it's a major concern. I've seen it in action, and I've seen it stone-walled.

Code, are you a civil servant? Cop? Social Worker? At my age, "collective" means socialist. Maybe that's the new conservative. I prefer:

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" Pat Henry (you all know that)

 

[Code]

Code, are you a civil servant? Cop? Social Worker?

No.

At my age, "collective" means socialist.

I mean, the United States in Her entirety, regardless of affiliation or political beliefs.


The US, over the course of modern history, has changed into a controlling nation. A nation obsessed with controls and who holds the keys to said controls.

Rather than abide by a perfectly good and functional Constitution, we've made the altering of said document into an incredibly huge source of revenue.

Not only do elected officials make themselves richer doing this, but we consume the tracking, policing, reporting and displaying of this purely greedy function. We Pay CNN, MSNBC, AbC and countless news agencies millions in revenue to report on all things congressional.


So it's no wonder that we as a nation, have found ourselves with nothing better to gthan listen to talking heads Tell us how to feel and react to things. This is why the Patriot Act II has gotten such a shitty reception, people spend more time having their opinions Given to them, then we do researching these things.

It's easier to Give someone control of our thoughts, we just turn on the TV.
It's so much harder to actually form your own, original theories.
It requires we go beyond our comfort zone and read about laws, research legislation, get to know elected officials, get to know intelligence officers and actually form your OWN opinion.

 

[slowtom]

No.



I mean, the United States in Her entirety, regardless of affiliation or political beliefs.


The US, over the course of modern history, has changed into a controlling nation. A nation obsessed with controls and who holds the keys to said controls.

Rather than abide by a perfectly good and functional Constitution, we've made the altering of said document into an incredibly huge source of revenue.

Not only do elected officials make themselves richer doing this, but we consume the tracking, policing, reporting and displaying of this purely greedy function. We Pay CNN, MSNBC, AbC and countless news agencies millions in revenue to report on all things congressional.


So it's no wonder that we as a nation, have found ourselves with nothing better to gthan listen to talking heads Tell us how to feel and react to things. This is why the Patriot Act II has gotten such a shitty reception, people spend more time having their opinions Given to them, then we do researching these things.

It's easier to Give someone control of our thoughts, we just turn on the TV.
It's so much harder to actually form your own, original theories.
It requires we go beyond our comfort zone and read about laws, research legislation, get to know elected officials, get to know intelligence officers and actually form your OWN opinion.

Code! Take the step (in reading your response), I can see you're almost there! Take the red pill! Take the red pill! I formed my own opinion at age 12. I just happened to hit on a certain person in broadcasting who shares it.

 

[atlantabiolab]

No.



I mean, the United States in Her entirety, regardless of affiliation or political beliefs.


The US, over the course of modern history, has changed into a controlling nation. A nation obsessed with controls and who holds the keys to said controls.

Rather than abide by a perfectly good and functional Constitution, we've made the altering of said document into an incredibly huge source of revenue.

Not only do elected officials make themselves richer doing this, but we consume the tracking, policing, reporting and displaying of this purely greedy function. We Pay CNN, MSNBC, AbC and countless news agencies millions in revenue to report on all things congressional.


So it's no wonder that we as a nation, have found ourselves with nothing better to gthan listen to talking heads Tell us how to feel and react to things. This is why the Patriot Act II has gotten such a shitty reception, people spend more time having their opinions Given to them, then we do researching these things.

It's easier to Give someone control of our thoughts, we just turn on the TV.
It's so much harder to actually form your own, original theories.
It requires we go beyond our comfort zone and read about laws, research legislation, get to know elected officials, get to know intelligence officers and actually form your OWN opinion.

Code, you essentially made a long post stating, "that's life". This is the mentality which accepts the chains placed on it and fights those who want something more, for it does not like to "rock the boat".

I know you know better.

 

[Code]

See, thats the problem, I have been on the inside of what you think is rife with corruption and conspiracy and can offer, as adectdotal evidence, that there is no real conspiracy.

Corruption, yes, but all avenues of mankind are corrupt. Why should a government agency be any different.

One of the applications I spent a great deal of time designing and overseeing had the sole purpose of searching massive amounts of data sets to find corrolary threads, which is the very heart of what you'd consider a 'conspiracy theory'. I know exactly what you're looking for and exactly what you're refering to, but I know you're looking in the wrong direction.

Does a great movement, lead by shadowy figure with dark plans exist? Oh yes, most certainly.

Are any of those movements capable of over-turning the current world powers, or thwarting the stability of the global economy? No.

Are there several movements capable of gently swaying government officials? Yes.

Code! Take the step (in reading your response), I can see you're almost there! Take the red pill! Take the red pill! I formed my own opinion at age 12. I just happened to hit on a certain person in broadcasting who shares it.

 

[Code]

No no no.

My points are:

1.) Americans have confined there eduction to Talking Heads and editorials.

2.) If you want to discover what the world is about, do the research, walk the walk. Don't let someone else tell you.

3.) Americans limit ourselves to being content with what others tell is "good enough".

Code, you essentially made a long post stating, "that's life". This is the mentality which accepts the chains placed on it and fights those who want something more, for it does not like to "rock the boat".

I know you know better.

 

[slowtom]

See, thats the problem, I have been on the inside of what you think is rife with corruption and conspiracy and can offer, as adectdotal evidence, that there is no real conspiracy.

Corruption, yes, but all avenues of mankind are corrupt. Why should a government agency be any different.

One of the applications I spent a great deal of time designing and overseeing had the sole purpose of searching massive amounts of data sets to find corrolary threads, which is the very heart of what you'd consider a 'conspiracy theory'. I know exactly what you're looking for and exactly what you're refering to, but I know you're looking in the wrong direction.

Does a great movement, lead by shadowy figure with dark plans exist? Oh yes, most certainly.

Are any of those movements capable of over-turning the current world powers, or thwarting the stability of the global economy? No.

Are there several movements capable of gently swaying government officials? Yes.

So please, Code lead me in the correct direction. Oh, & I highly doubt you've been inside what I see as the conspiracy. You wouldn't be posting here if you were.

I don't call it "conspiracy theory"... I call it reality, but for convenience sake use "ct".

Of course they'll be corruption in government... that's why we need limited government in our lives.

 

[Code]

Now you're missing the other thrust of my diatribe, look, it's all out there to be understood.

You won't find it on biased sites like Alex Jones'.

There is no 'ct' that encompasses reality. There are 'ct's, but they are not that definitive.

So please, Code lead me in the correct direction.

I don't call it "conspiracy theory"... I call it reality, but for convenience sake use "ct".

 

[slowtom]

No, I think I got your point.

Religion, right?

"...lead by shadowy figure with dark plans exist? Oh yes, most certainly."

Satan?

 

[Code]

Hahaha, no.

I'm just saying that what you consider a 'ct', some people consider a lobby, or a fraternity. A group of like-minded folks, with a common goal and enough money to see it through to completion.

And that there is no single 'ct' that sums up American legislation or even global legislation.

No, I think I got your point.

Religion, right?

"...lead by shadowy figure with dark plans exist? Oh yes, most certainly."

Satan?