The ULTIMATE DUO stack, and doses

[Realgains]

Thats right bro's you only need two hormones to achieve all the results you desire.
The test/tren stack is very powerful and the best duo available PERIOD. You really don't need anything else.



DOSES- MASS 8-10 week cycles

If you are under your maximum natural weight ie: less than 190 fairly lean pounds at 5'9 or 10")
Test 500 per week and tren 50 per day.

If you are WELL under your natural max then tren 50 per day and test 350 per week will do wonders. No need for large doses until you get well above your natural maximum weight.
Newbie don't be afraid of tren or the daily injections. Get some instruction on injections and then rotate injection sites from upper out glutes to mid lateral thigh and even lateral deltoid. Never use anything bigger than a 25 gauge pin and it will be very easy.
Tren is much safer than the common newbie roids ie :d-bol, which is 17aa and somewhat hard on the liver and terrible for the lipid profile....not to mention bloat and possible gyno.

If you think you are AT your natural maximum weight......
Test 700 per week and tren 75 per day. Train hard, eat well and sleep weel and you WILL grow well on this dose.

If you are well above your natural max....
Test 1 gram per week and tren 75-100 per day.

If you are 40 or more pounds above your natural max.
Test 1.5 grams per week(up to 3 grams actually, if you are nearly pro) and tren 100 per day.

Be sure to ALWAYS take 20 of the estrogen blocker nolvadex per day with the above stacks unless you are taking a good amount of an estrogen inhibitor. You don't want butch tits bro's.

If estrogen gets out of hand, and it will above 700 per week, then consider an estrogen inhibitor... ie:at least 1 arimidex per day for every gram of test.

DOSES for cutting

Tren 50-100 per day as above and test 200 per week for libido. Who needs winstrol and the like.

Hope this practical info helps a few.

RG

 

[V-SHAPE 2]

Lookin forward to prop/fina next summer

 

[ROLGOR]

Damn Bro. you just keep pumping out the good posts. I know you can't tell for sure but what would you estimate my nat max weight is? I'm 5'7" and 195# right now.

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

great post real, you're beginer mass one was my exact first cycle, it was a great too, 15lbs and a 1% drop in bf

LISTEN TO THIS MAN!! HE KNOWS HIS SHIT LIKE NO ONE ELSE

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

real, would you reccomend nolva or clomid for during cycles to prevent cholesterol problems? doses?

 

[ManOfGlass]

Good post

I'm a newbie and was thinking about starting to use anabolics, problem is there are so many, very, very, very many cycles to choose from. I want mass gains fast (not unhealthy fast) that i can keep. At first i was thinking Dbol cycle, cheap and effective for mass but after reading a lot of your (Realgains) posts i have decided against it, there are better cycles out there, like this one. nice post man. Guys like you help a newbie more than you think.

 

[Realgains]

Damn Bro. you just keep pumping out the good posts. I know you can't tell for sure but what would you estimate my nat max weight is? I'm 5'7" and 195# right now.

You are probably at your natural max weight unless you are larger boned and or a pure mesomorph in structure and over 12% body fat. The max weight example I gave above is for the average guy.

 

[B-legit]

i must note:
also very good for the starving (yeah, like any of us starve) college student!

Very good one the wallet!!!

 

[Realgains]

i must note:
also very good for the starving (yeah, like any of us starve) college student!

Very good one the wallet!!!

Yes I forgot to mention that home made tren and all tests are very cheap....get that Finaplix-H soon as the feds will soon ban it like they banned Finiplix-S.

RG

 

[B-legit]

so,
finaplix-s has been banned??? (for sure)

what exactly is finaplix-h (difference). All i know is that i've ordered fina from vetamerica in the past (unsure whether fina-h or fina-s)
Came in a clear rect. with rows of yellow pellets.

 

[Realgains]

so,
finaplix-s has been banned??? (for sure)

what exactly is finaplix-h (difference). All i know is that i've ordered fina from vetamerica in the past (unsure whether fina-h or fina-s)
Came in a clear rect. with rows of yellow pellets.

The S is the same stuff but with LESS tren in the mix.

RG

 

[Realgains]

Up for the newbies

 

[Texas Ranger]

Test & Tren, are THE best products you can have. The funny thing is, they're both are DIRT CHEAP!!! No need for the exotic, over-priced stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Realgains]

Up for the poor.......he he he

 

[Lift Chief]

is tren for 8 weeks going to shut you down super hard though?

 

[HighIntensity]

deca/eq is close with less sides

 

[Realgains]

is tren for 8 weeks going to shut you down super hard though?

Yes..........but any hormone used for 8 weeks at bodybuilding doses will do that. You will have little to ZERO natural test production even after a week bro. In fact I read a study once that proved that even ONE shot of nandrolone shuts test down to almost nothing.

It takes a little over two weeks to shut down LH from the pituitary and after that it really doesn't get much worse......except your nuts will shrink if on for a decent amount of time and then they don't want to respond to LH post cycle. LH usually comes back pretty well but if the nuts are small then the production of natural test is going to be delayed........ SO.....take 500 of HCG per day during the last two weeks of the cycle i order to get the testes back to a decent size so they can respond to LH right away.

Once you are shut down you are shut down ......the worst roid seems to be the mild androgen Nandrolone (DECA) It seems to shut one down longer at the level of the testes.

RG

 

[Realgains]

real, would you reccomend nolva or clomid for during cycles to prevent cholesterol problems? doses?

Nolva and clomid act as estrogens in the liver and help with the lipid profile iF NOT USING STEROIDS. It just isn't that helpful with a decent adrogen cycle. I used to think otherwise but I had my lipid profile done while using it throughout my last cycle and my lipid profile still sucked bad! Your lipid profile will such no matter what you do bro.
Niacin at 1500mg per day may help hdl while "on" but don't expect a good lipid profile while on any cycle.

RG

 

[Realgains]

Thats right bro's you only need two hormones to achieve all the results you desire.
The test/tren stack is very powerful and the best duo available PERIOD. You really don't need anything else.



DOSES- MASS 8-10 week cycles

If you are under your maximum natural weight ie: less than 190 fairly lean pounds at 5'9 or 10")
Test 500 per week and tren 50 per day.

If you are WELL under your natural max then tren 50 per day and test 350 per week will do wonders. No need for large doses until you get well above your natural maximum weight.
Newbie don't be afraid of tren or the daily injections. Get some instruction on injections and then rotate injection sites from upper out glutes to mid lateral thigh and even lateral deltoid. Never use anything bigger than a 25 gauge pin and it will be very easy.
Tren is much safer than the common newbie roids ie :d-bol, which is 17aa and somewhat hard on the liver and terrible for the lipid profile....not to mention bloat and possible gyno.

If you think you are AT your natural maximum weight......
Test 700 per week and tren 75 per day. Train hard, eat well and sleep weel and you WILL grow well on this dose.

If you are well above your natural max....
Test 1 gram per week and tren 75-100 per day.

If you are 40 or more pounds above your natural max.
Test 1.5 grams per week(up to 3 grams actually, if you are nearly pro) and tren 100 per day.

Be sure to ALWAYS take 20 of the estrogen blocker nolvadex per day with the above stacks unless you are taking a good amount of an estrogen inhibitor. You don't want butch tits bro's.

If estrogen gets out of hand, and it will above 700 per week, then consider an estrogen inhibitor... ie:at least 1 arimidex per day for every gram of test.

DOSES for cutting

Tren 50-100 per day as above and test 200 per week for libido. Who needs winstrol and the like.

Hope this practical info helps a few.

RG

Holy COW .....I forgot to tell the newbies to use 20 of nolva per day while "on" ...just in case.

RG

 

[SmooThy5464]

Yes I forgot to mention that home made tren and all tests are very cheap....get that Finaplix-H soon as the feds will soon ban it like they banned Finiplix-S.

RG

could u just please elaborate on how to go about the process of making homeade tren if u dont mind as far as what exactly i will need, what kit and what is needed thanks alot...

i really apreciate all your help another great post i am sure u r sick of hearin all my newbie tren questions but u have been the most help i am almost ready to start just after reading your threads thx alot...

 

[Realgains]

could u just please elaborate on how to go about the process of making homeade tren if u dont mind as far as what exactly i will need, what kit and what is needed thanks alot...

i really apreciate all your help another great post i am sure u r sick of hearin all my newbie tren questions but u have been the most help i am almost ready to start just after reading your threads thx alot...

You need to get a conversion kit bro.....check your pm box.
I could tell you how to do it from scratch too just look up my old post "You don't need a fina kit"

It is best for someone new to the game to get a kit though and they are cheap.

RG

 

[Realgains]

I would just like to add that the doses I recommended are MORE THAN ENOUGH. Good gains can be made with even less......but few will listen to that and most will think my dose suggestions are too small!

Such is the "more is better" mentality of todays users.....mass at any cost!

RG