The truth about protein

[Realgains]

***WHEY PROTEIN HAS BEEN THE SINGLE GREATEST ADDITION AND IMPROVEMENT TO BODYBUILDING, AND SPORTS IN GENERAL, SINCE THE DEVELOPEMENT OF STEROIDS.***
Gone are the days of clugging down tons of amino capsules...thank God!

First of all you need to take larger amounts of protein when training, and especially when using steroids. As a general rule take 1 gram per pound of body weight per day when training naturally and more when using gear( up to double that)

BIOLOGICAL AVAILABIITY.

In the olden days, when I began serious training, milk and egg protein was the best available protein. Its biological availability, or its ability to be assimilated was around 88- 100. That was the golden standard, 100. Meats have lower bioavailablity at around 70-80.

ENTERED WHEY.
Whey is a byproduct of cheese manufacturing. Milk has two basic proteins, whey at 20% and casein at 80%. During processing the liquid whey seperated from the curd(casein)

The whey can be processed and can yield different qualities depending on the processing. I will not go into the different ways whey is processed at this time.

WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE

By far the most common form of whey. Concentrate is what is in most whey protein formulations. The protein available in concentrate can vary from as little as 25% to much as 89% depending on its quality. Concentrate contains a fair amount of lactose and carbs as well as some fat.
Bioavailabity of whey concentrate is above 100 at about 104.

WHEY PROTEIN ISOLATE
This form of whey has had almost all of the fat and carbs removed. Its bioavalabilty can be higher than 150!
It is quite a bit more expensive than concentrate but I think its worth it, if you can afford it. Most people will suffer some gas and bloating from the consumption of large amounts of concentrate. Its bioavailablity is also quite a bit higher.

THE ULTIMATE ISOLATE.
The best form of isolate is has been hydrolyzed. It has the absolute best bioavailablity. One probelm...it tastes terrible.

So I strongly recommend that you take 20 mg of whey along with some carbs a half hour before working out and then be DARN SURE to take 30-50mg immediately after working out and even after serious cardio. This will really prim the muscles with top quality protein and help recovery and building a great deal.

Whey has also been proven to strengthen the immune system.

Hope this basic post on whey clears a few things up.
RG

 

[p03t1c]

you're not going to beat the quality of protein factory just because they seem to be the best at what they do. and with the customization opportunities you have, you get exactly what you want. since i don't always have the money to shell out on high quality protein, i like to settle for my optimum nutrition 100% choc. whey. however, with money not an issue i would definately hit up protein factory.

 

[Realgains]

I use VP2 from AST Sport Science. Its the hydrolzed stuff and actually tastes half decent and better than most....although my wife refuses to use it....she needs her good tasting smoothies. She uses a good isolate that tastes great , Iso Pure from Natures Best in Strawberry.

I just chug down the hydolyzed crap with water or juice

RG

 

[p03t1c]

i get optimum nutrition 10lbs for under $50 shipped. what kind of a deal are u getting with PF?

 

[p03t1c]

well well well i might just have to hook up with PF and switch brands. what is the best deal for the price? i like to use this when i'm too lazy to make food. I LOVE DRINKING CHOC MILK!

 

[MS]

I can't comment on the protein factory.

I can (and naturally will) point out that BV has little to no meaning when it's appled to someone on a typical high protein BB diet. It is only relevant to people surviving on marginal protein intakes. I would also disagree that a BB needs a gram of protein/pound/day unless they're dieting, or eating very VERY poor protein source. I don't suppose there's any scientific reference for that statement???

As someone who has thrived without ever eating any whey in my life, and who "bulks" on 100g or less protein per day, I feel obliged to express the other sides of the story. Also, I believe that only the highest quality whey isolate/concentrate (that still has the macro glyco peptides intact) is beneficial to the immune system.

If you want to know the whole truth about proteins, I highly recommend reading Lyle McD's in depth review on the topic at http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/protein-01.htm

" Although arguments are commonly made regarding the superiority of one protein over another in terms of supporting mass
gains, we have seen that most high quality proteins more than fulfill the requirements for indispensable AAs, even if we assume
requirements to be three times higher than are currently recommended. Although there is some evidence that specific AAs, such
as the BCAAs or glutamine, might be needed in higher quantities, the amounts required have not yet been quantified. At this
time, it seems unlikely that one high-quality protein will show significantly different results in terms of mass gained over another,
especially considering the high protein and caloric intakes seen in bodybuilders. One would expect there to be a greater
difference in protein during a diet. In this situation, extra intake of BCAAs might have a benefit in sparing muscle loss."

 

[p03t1c]

Arioch and bench are gonna split hairs when they see that avatar.

 

[nandi12]

I don't suppose there's any scientific reference for that statement???

Well, there is an awful lot of research showing that the recommended protein allotments for non-athletes are WAY to low for athletes. The "exact" amount needed is, and will probably always be, argured. 1gm/lb may be a bit high, but not a whole lot.
( 1.8 gm/kg = 0.82 gm/lb )


Here is just one example of the numerous studies that have been done in this regard:

J Am Coll Nutr 2000 Oct;19(5 Suppl):513S-521S Related Articles, Books, LinkOut


Beyond the zone: protein needs of active individuals.

Lemon PW.

Exercise Nutrition Research Laboratory, The University of Western Ontario, London, Canada. [email protected]

There has been debate among athletes and nutritionists regarding dietary protein needs for centuries. Although contrary to traditional belief, recent scientific information collected on physically active individuals tends to indicate that regular exercise increases daily protein requirements; however, the precise details remain to be worked out. Based on laboratory measures, daily protein requirements are increased by perhaps as much as 100% vs. recommendations for sedentary individuals (1.6-1.8 vs. 0.8 g/kg). Yet even these intakes are much less than those reported by most athletes. This may mean that actual requirements are below what is needed to optimize athletic performance, and so the debate continues. Numerous interacting factors including energy intake, carbohydrate availability, exercise intensity, duration and type, dietary protein quality, training history, gender, age, timing of nutrient intake and the like make this topic extremely complex. Many questions remain to be resolved. At the present time, substantial data indicate that the current recommended protein intake should be adjusted upward for those who are physically active, especially in populations whose needs are elevated for other reasons, e.g., growing individuals, dieters, vegetarians, individuals with muscle disease-induced weakness and the elderly. For these latter groups, specific supplementation may be appropriate, but for most North Americans who consume a varied diet, including complete protein foods (meat, eggs, fish and dairy products), and sufficient energy the increased protein needs induced by a regular exercise program can be met in one's diet.

 

[aurelius]

***WHEY PROTEIN HAS BEEN THE SINGLE GREATEST ADDITION AND IMPROVEMENT TO BODYBUILDING, AND SPORTS IN GENERAL, SINCE THE DEVELOPEMENT OF STEROIDS.***
Gone are the days of clugging down tons of amino capsules...thank God!

First of all you need to take larger amounts of protein when training, and especially when using steroids. As a general rule take 1 gram per pound of body weight per day when training naturally and more when using gear( up to double that)

BIOLOGICAL AVAILABIITY.

In the olden days, when I began serious training, milk and egg protein was the best available protein. Its biological availability, or its ability to be assimilated was around 88- 100. That was the golden standard, 100. Meats have lower bioavailablity at around 70-80.

ENTERED WHEY.
Whey is a byproduct of cheese manufacturing. Milk has two basic proteins, whey at 20% and casein at 80%. During processing the liquid whey seperated from the curd(casein)

The whey can be processed and can yield different qualities depending on the processing. I will not go into the different ways whey is processed at this time.

WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE

By far the most common form of whey. Concentrate is what is in most whey protein formulations. The protein available in concentrate can vary from as little as 25% to much as 89% depending on its quality. Concentrate contains a fair amount of lactose and carbs as well as some fat.
Bioavailabity of whey concentrate is above 100 at about 104.

WHEY PROTEIN ISOLATE
This form of whey has had almost all of the fat and carbs removed. Its bioavalabilty can be higher than 150!
It is quite a bit more expensive than concentrate but I think its worth it, if you can afford it. Most people will suffer some gas and bloating from the consumption of large amounts of concentrate. Its bioavailablity is also quite a bit higher.

THE ULTIMATE ISOLATE.
The best form of isolate is has been hydrolyzed. It has the absolute best bioavailablity. One probelm...it tastes terrible.

So I strongly recommend that you take 20 mg of whey along with some carbs a half hour before working out and then be DARN SURE to take 30-50mg immediately after working out and even after serious cardio. This will really prim the muscles with top quality protein and help recovery and building a great deal.

Whey has also been proven to strengthen the immune system.

Hope this basic post on whey clears a few things up.
RG

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